if a skill check is keyed to two differant skills does that mean you can.....

[ghostunderasheet]

Make a second check using the second skill? I am playing a death touched themed character and identifying Undead is keyed to <or you can use> perception and/or mysticism. If i fail at identifying an undead using my perception could i just use mysticism to fill in the gaps <aka reroll using mysticism>?

[ghostunderasheet]

Kinda wish Synergy bonuses were still a thing.

[Pantshandshake]

Do you mean identifying it like a knowledge check? I'd say no, generally you get the one roll for that, and if you fail, you just don't know about that thing.

If you mean just looking at an NPC to see if it looks like some kind of undead, then by the rules, probably not. Though I'd allow it, because I can't see how it would make much difference.

[ghostunderasheet]

You can use Perception, rather than Mysticism, to recall knowledge about undead and negative energy effects when you first observe them. Key word in there is can. Which makes it a choice. I see the undead but fail to identify it why can't I then use my mysticism to automaticly reattempt to identify it. Its a master vampire.... ohh wait.... never mind its just a common zombie wearing Halloween costume fangs, the rotting flesh falling off it is a dead giveaway. That sorta thing.

[Pantshandshake]

Yes, it's a choice... but doing one, then the other, isn't a choice. That's doing both things, which is the opposite of a choice.

But that's semantics and doesn't really address the rule-ness.

I don't have my book in front of me, but a quick glance through the starjammer SRD didn't turn up the 'you can attempt one knowledge check' wording that PF has. So either I can't find it, or it's not in SF. So by that, I guess you could make however many checks you want. Personally, I'd say no at the table. From what you've shared about your GM, I couldn't begin to guess how this would go at your table.

[Claxon]

It wouldn't really make sense to allow for two rolls. That's beyond the scope of the ability, IMO. You get to choose one or the other skill, and you'll use whichever one you have the highest bonus in.

[ghostunderasheet]

A re attempting the check using the other skill in my case its either mysticism or perception to identify the undead. Say i failed my first check with mysticism why can't use my perception for a second attampt at the check. I am not saying that i roll them at the same time.

It is an ablity that is given to the death touched theme in the pact worlds book.

Or reattempting checks not allowed?

[Claxon]

Because you only get to make one attempt to identify a creature.

Some skill checks you are allowed to repeat, as there may be no practical consequences for failure. Other skill checks, especially knowledge based checks, you can only try once. After that "if you don't know it, you don't know it".

[Isaac Zephyr]

Claxon wrote:

Because you only get to make one attempt to identify a creature.

Some skill checks you are allowed to repeat, as there may be no practical consequences for failure. Other skill checks, especially knowledge based checks, you can only try once. After that "if you don't know it, you don't know it".

As much as I agree, unfortunately that was Pathfinder's ruling on it, and no such thing exists in the Starfinder CRB for recall information or identify creature checks. I checked and double checked when I saw the earlier post on it.

I would say that defaulting to Pathfinder's ruling, as the game's parent, would work, but too many little things changed for that. In particular, recalling information seems to be a standard action and not something you can do free.

Basically, there's nothing in the rules to say you can't try again to identify creatures, probably playing off the idea that pulling out anything with a connection to an internet and you can proverbially google information and get a different result. There are skills that say you can't try more than once in a set period but all of the identify/recall checks lack this clause.

That said, because it's this way, with no FAQ clarification, and plausible in-setting reasons to why, if you had both options you can retry and there's really no reason not to use the better of your two options.

[Claxon]

Yeah...if you can retry (which I still don't think you can) you would still be allowed to retry using whichever skill you have, which means you would want to use the higher of the two modifiers, which us unlikely to have changed from one round to the next.