Vigilante's Favored Maneuver


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When I take the Favored Maneuver vigilante talent, can I choose a "Improved Feat" without meeting its prerequisites?

Spoiler:
Favored Maneuver (Ex): The vigilante selects one type of combat maneuver to be a favored maneuver. He gains the Improved feat corresponding to that combat maneuver (if one exists). He gains a +2 circumstance bonus on combat maneuver checks with that combat maneuver against a foe that is unaware of the vigilante’s presence at the start of his combat maneuver. A vigilante can select this talent more than once. Each time, it applies to a different combat maneuver.

Thanks in advance!

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It doesn't specifically say you ignore prerequisites, so no. You must meet the prereqs.


Is this really correct? It seems like a grey area.
It looks like the game author didn't even consider Combat Expertise & Int 13 as the default pre-reqs for (some of) the Improved Manoeuvre feats.


Axl wrote:

Is this really correct? It seems like a grey area.

It looks like the game author didn't even consider Combat Expertise & Int 13 as the default pre-reqs for (some of) the Improved Manoeuvre feats.

Not actually written down, but if you gain a specific feat, you ignore the prereqs, whereas if you select a bonus feat, you need to fulfill prereqs. A good example of this needing to be the case is the Spellbreaker rage power. It makes no mention of ignoring prereqs, but that cannot possibly be correct as it would require the literally impossible combination of Barb12/Fighter10 to function. Every interpretation that leads to something being unuable must be taken to be wrong.

You get the chose the maneuver, but then you get a fixed feat, so I say the above principle upholds, and you don't need the prereqs for the <Improved X> feat.


Okay, thanks Derklord.


I agree with Derklord. It's a special case because while you are making a selection, it's not a bonus feat. You're being given a specific feat when you choose between specific combat maneuvers.

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