Disease / poison build

[Doppleman]

Hi,

I would like to make a character whose purpose is to research cures for deseases and poisons. Using deseases and poisons in combat.
What would be great classes and archetypes to make it?
I saw a lot of poison builds, but they ignored diseases. Some diseases build, but they looked more like straight necromancer, anything less radical?

[Shiroi]

Disease is an odd one, they aren't really used by PCs anywhere I've seen outside of taking an animal form that carries them. With that in mind, I'd go Sphere Druid.

Spheres of power has polymorph stuff that let's you custom build highly poisonous claw attacks, and that takes over the 9th level casting of the druid. Then you still have wildshape to become beasts, some of which (I wouldn't know which sadly) probably have a few neat diseases. I'm not confident wildshape actually gives you those diseases as attacks, RAW, but it's such a minor thing and you're already going for a pretty underpowered concept that I'd DM pass it and let you have your fun.

[Scrapper]

Advanced Players Guide, Blight Druid might be of interest, possibly mixed with pack lord if no conflicts, haven't checked, but having several diseased/poisonous companions would be a bonus.

[blahpers]

There are a few divine spells that inflict disease. They don't see much use outside of NPC badguys, though, since disease usually takes a while to do its thing compared to poison.

[Adjoint]

If you want to use diseases, you'll need something to speed them up. You'll need access to Aggraviate Affliction and Contagion spells. This makes the clerics, oracles and druids the prefered classes, as they get these spells earlier than sorcerers and wizards.

There exists a clerical subdomain of Plague, but the only god-like beings associated with it are Urgathoa, Glaunder, Cyth-V'sug and Apollyon. All of them evil, and none would be interested in curing them. That leaves a Separatist cleric. For example, I think that a separatist cleric of Pharasma with Healing and Plague as his domains could fit what you want to achieve.

[Mark Hoover 330]

Schirr demons carry dirty halberds which inflict a disease; based on that you could be a PC who binds/controls demons and use them to do your bidding.

[Doppleman]

I really like Adjoint's idea.
It captures most of the character features without making it a true Necromancer/demonologist/evil guy.
I still need to be Neutral Evil to use the plague subdomain, but I think it's the lesser evil I saw so far.
Straight summoning demons is more evil than making someone sick(really really sick), imo.

Blight Druid looks fun too.
I really appreciate the suggestions. It's nice to learn that clerics, oracles and druids would be the best for this build. It limits my own research. Thank you.

[Adjoint]

Doppleman wrote:

I still need to be Neutral Evil to use the plague subdomain, but I think it's the lesser evil I saw so far

Do you? I think that's only the case if you treat it as a subdomain of the Evil domain, but you can take it as a subdomain of the Death domain, and then you can be Neutral, or even Good (as strange as it seems).

And actualy the Urban Acolyte trait, which is a prerequisite for this subdomain, lets you take it if only your deity gives the access to the assosciated domain. And Pharasma grants an access to the Death domain, so you're fine without being a Separatist.

[Doppleman]

Amazing! You are right! Again!
The Urban Acolyte trait just fixes everything!

And I think you're right about Pharasma allowing a neutral or good to take plague as a subdomain of death.
But in other situations, how do you tell the alignement of a domain? Do we just guess? Like Evil, Destruction and madness sounds evil enough. A lot of them sound neutral and Protection, Healing, Good sound good.

[Zwordsman]

Toxicant Alchemist. Best poison user in the game. (not pfs though but poison/diesease usage is pretty near impossible) can pump the DC if you use the nagaji racial ancestory human thingy
There are also a few archetyupes that deal with disease..
i think the frog race's ? bog something maybe.
you can get it as a human with that one feat as well.
but not both.

[Adjoint]

Doppleman wrote:

But in other situations, how do you tell the alignement of a domain? Do we just guess? Like Evil, Destruction and madness sounds evil enough. A lot of them sound neutral and Protection, Healing, Good sound good.

Unless it is an aligment domain (Good, Evil, Law and Chaos), which only the gods of a given alignment can grant, no other domain is aligned. While indeed Destruction and Madness are more common among evil divines, and Protection and Healing among good ones, there are exceptions. For example, Destruction is a domain of Ragathiel (LG) and Madness is a domain of Chucaro (CG) while Protection is a domain of Arazni (NE).

[blahpers]

Correct. It boils down to whether you can find a deity who grants the domains/subdomains you seek. Outside of standard Golarion, this may not even be an issue if you powers derive from a philosophy. Inside Golarion, options are more limited--unless you come from Vudra or some other culture with thousands of deities or more.