| Zarius |
So, I'm looking at the info for animal companions, and it doesn't specify a very, very important question... An animal companion is GIVEN feats by simply being an animal companion. But it's also given HD for same-said. Does an animal companion ALSO get extra feats for the extra HD it gains? This question also technically applies to the Ability Score increases it gets every 4 actual HD it gains.
Specifically, one of the other players in my party has an animal companion that STARTS at 2 HD. Per the RAW, at level one (of having an animal companion, since rangers run at -3), it gets 2 HD, and thus hits both the 3hd feat AND the 4hd bonus stat point... And would then gain a feat from the fact that it's an animal companion, to boot?
I ask because the other player knows what they want to DO with their character, but I've been playing table tops since I was a little kid, so I basically update their sheet, and I want to make sure I'm doing it right... And I just realized this (a year and half and six level ups into the campaign) could be incorrect. =/
| Zarius |
Except that... an Animal companion gets another feat at it's masters second class level, which only gives 1 HD. That doesn't math up, unless they're assuming that everything has a default 1 HD? I mean it could, but don't animals also only get a feat every 3rd HD now that I'm thinking a little harder on it?
| Chess Pwn |
Except that... an Animal companion gets another feat at it's masters second class level, which only gives 1 HD. That doesn't math up, unless they're assuming that everything has a default 1 HD? I mean it could, but don't animals also only get a feat every 3rd HD now that I'm thinking a little harder on it?
Right, at lv2 the animal gains a HD putting them at 3 HD and thus they get a feat. This is also why with their first feat they can't take anything that requires 1 bab, because when they gained that feat at 1 HD they didn't have any bab.
| dragonhunterq |
Take another look at the table. An animal companion starts at 2 HD with 1 feat (the one gained with the 1st HD). This is why it has a BAB of +1 and +3 to it's good saves.
When your druid reaches 2nd level the animal companion gets it's 3rd HD and the feat that goes with it.
They get the 3rd feat when the druid gets to 5th level and the animal companion also gains its 5th HD.
They get the 4th feat when the druid gains it's 8th level, but the animal is only gaining it's 7th HD.
5th when the druid is 10th and AC gains it's 9th HD.
6th at 13th level druid & ACs 11th HD...
| Chess Pwn |
They have a BAB of +1 at the first relevant level of their master's class. along with a +3 to Fort and Reflex, and a +0 to will. They also gain an additional feat every second HD after level 2, not every third.
everything gets a feat at every odd HD. Your animal companion got it's first feat at 1 HD which is why in the animal companion section it says, "Note that animal companions cannot select a feat with a requirement of base attack bonus +1 until they gain their second feat at 3 Hit Dice." Because at HD 1 they didn't have 1 bab.
Then at lv2 the animal gets an HD increase and reaches 3 HD which is an odd number and thus they get a feat. You'll see as they continue to level that everytime they get an odd amount of HD they'll also be gaining a feat.| Zarius |
You're asking a question and the answer is "no." It doesn't go much further than that. And would be abundantly cleared by reading any single companion write up in a path or module as the company doesn't do what you're implying.
That's about it.
OK, THIS is actually a valid point. Thank you Cavall.
Allow me to point out to everyone arguing HD, HD, HD, that this is part of my point. There isn't a single creature on the animal companion list that doesn't start with at least one HD. That means that the minimum level-one animal companion, once you add the two HD you get for it, is three HD. Not two. You get your second feat from Animal companion at no less than four HD, some as high as 8 (I think brown bears start with 5). So, your arguments are made moot by the actual facts.
Cavall is the only one to bring up a valid point, since he's actually citing Piazo guides and modules on the topic.
| David knott 242 |
The starting hit dice of an animal that could be an animal companion are irrelevant. An animal companion has the number of hit dice listed on the animal companion table for its master effective druid level -- no more and no less. And according to that table, the animal companion receives a feat at every odd hit die.
Note that all of the above is different from D&D 3.5, in case you are trying to drag in experience from that game.
| dragonhunterq |
Cavall wrote:You're asking a question and the answer is "no." It doesn't go much further than that. And would be abundantly cleared by reading any single companion write up in a path or module as the company doesn't do what you're implying.
That's about it.
OK, THIS is actually a valid point. Thank you Cavall.
Allow me to point out to everyone arguing HD, HD, HD, that this is part of my point. There isn't a single creature on the animal companion list that doesn't start with at least one HD. That means that the minimum level-one animal companion, once you add the two HD you get for it, is three HD. Not two. You get your second feat from Animal companion at no less than four HD, some as high as 8 (I think brown bears start with 5). So, your arguments are made moot by the actual facts.
Cavall is the only one to bring up a valid point, since he's actually citing Piazo guides and modules on the topic.
See, thats where you are going wrong. You shouldn't be using the bestiary entry as a start point. You get what is in the table in the CRB and nothing else.
| Saldiven |
dragonhunterq has the right of it.
Do not even look at the Bestiary entry for the creature. Instead, look at the Animal Companion entry for that creature, then apply the modifiers from the Animal Companion advancement chart.
(I feel dumb, because for my previous post, I had a more complete explanation, but edited it because I think it was confusing.)
For example, if you're going to make a Bear animal companion, do not reference the Bear entry (any of them) in the Bestiary. Instead, look at the Bear entry in the Animal Companion section of the CRB under the Druid rules. You'll notice that the base size, stats, attacks, abilities, etc. are all different from what a Bear in the Bestiary gets. From these base stats in the Animal Companion section, add in the adjustments from the AC chart.
{Note, there are newer AC options that are in the newer Bestiaries. However, in each entry where this is the case, there is a separate sub-entry that gives the starting stats and level 4 or 7 advancement for that creature.}