Racial Heritage: Schrödinger's Catfolk?


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Grand Lodge

I am curious if it is legal for a Human character to take Racial Heritage: Catfolk. The additional resources document has conflicting information.

Additional Resources wrote:
In Chapter 2, nothing from the catfolk, drow, hobgoblins, kobolds, and orcs entries are currently legal for play.
Additional Resources also wrote:
Catfolk: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial equipment, feats, magic items, rogue talents, and spells are legal for play.

This makes it sounds like both nothing related to the Catfolk is legal, and yet everything related to the Catfolk is legal.

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Pathfinder Lost Omens Subscriber

I'm not sure where it was written, but somewhere out there it was stated that if a Human wanted the Racial Heritage of a Boon race, they needed to burn the Boon to get access to it.

Pretty sure there would be pleas for restraint and/or offers of trade to prevent a Catfolk Boon from being used like that, though...

Grand Lodge

If I had a Catfolk boon, I wouldn't be looking into the Racial Heritage options for making a quasi-catfolk.

Anyone able to confirm/deny the requirement of burning a boon for something like this? Got a link, etc?

Grand Lodge

Man...what a rabbit hole. I can't believe how much debate there is around Racial Heritage...looks like I'll be steering clear of that mess regardless of the legality of it.

Grand Lodge 4/5

As per p. 29 of the AR :

Quote:
Note: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race.

A fresh enough take on the topic :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder/comments/6nrd9w/racial_heritage_useless _or_not/

So aside of the boon, no to Racial Heritage as written in PFS

Dataphiles 3/5

The line in the AR is making those options legal in conjunction with a Catfolk boon. Here is a thread where John chimes in on the topic link

Edit: Ninja'd by Phillipe as he explains exactly the same point.

Scarab Sages 4/5

That’s where the boon comes in. The boon opens up access to the race for you for a single character. Somewhere along the line, one of the PFS developers was asked if you want to spend your boon opening up access for racial heritage, could you, and they said yes, but it expends the boon just like if you’d made a character of that race. I haven’t been able to track the post down, but it’s out there somewhere.

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There was just a thread where it was linked here in this group a couple of weeks ago...

EDIT: Found it.

EDIT EDIT: And it's not just a developer comment, it's a PFS FAQ.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: So John's comment is 4 years out if date and superceded by the new FAQ.

Scarab Sages 4/5

Oh, great. Thanks! For some reason I completely missed it in the FAQ.

Grand Lodge

Thanks guys...I guess I will just have to resign myself to the fact that Paizo hates me and will never let me play a Catfolk, or even a Human with a little bit of Catfolk ancestry. *sadface*

At least I still have Kitsune...foxes are kinda like cat dogs :)

Silver Crusade 1/5 Contributor

There are catfolk boons out there, for the record. ^_^

Grand Lodge

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I'm aware...I am also aware that they were tier 1 GM boons from GenCon (Or the even rarer charity boon from a couple years ago), and are extremely rare/valuable, so I will never have one.

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Tier 2, actually. Rougarou were Tier 1.

Scarab Sages 4/5

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The Gencon race boons also have a habit of finding their way into general circulation. I wouldn't be surprised to see Catfolk show up as either a Regional Support boon or a regular convention boon sometime in the next year or two, since it's a popular race that doesn't seem broken, and there's finally Golarion lore for them.

Grand Lodge

Basically the only way I will ever get to play one is if they get bumped into the 'Featured' races when they move on from the elemental planar races. I don't GM, and on the rare occasion I actually get to go to a convention, I never get to play or volunteer time.

Maybe some day they will figure out what they are doing with Ultimate Wilderness and I'll be able to play a cat themed Shifter or something along those lines.

I suppose I could always play a Druid, or one of the other animal themed classes/archetypes...beast totem barb? beastmorph alchemist?

If you wanted to play a cat person in PFS without needing a boon, how would you go about it?

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Slyme wrote:

Basically the only way I will ever get to play one is if they get bumped into the 'Featured' races when they move on from the elemental planar races. I don't GM, and on the rare occasion I actually get to go to a convention, I never get to play or volunteer time.

Maybe some day they will figure out what they are doing with Ultimate Wilderness and I'll be able to play a cat themed Shifter or something along those lines.

I suppose I could always play a Druid, or one of the other animal themed classes/archetypes...beast totem barb? beastmorph alchemist?

If you wanted to play a cat person in PFS without needing a boon, how would you go about it?

I actually have an answer for you on being a cat person without a boon. It's just really wierd.

Scarab Sages

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Now see, I was really hoping for an actual "Schrödinger" alternate Catfolk racial feature. Maybe it could be like the Wayang's Light & Dark....

Grand Lodge

The Agathiel Vigilante is interesting. If I am reading it correctly your vigilante identity becomes a full blown animal shape, but without most of the benefits of full blown Beast Shape?

Not quite what I am after, I was thinking more along the lines of a human (or maybe other humanoid race like elf) that gains cat-like features (claws, fur, maybe a tail)

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Agathiel trades those benefits for other benefits, like keeping your armor and speaking.

There are two different shape-changing barbarians, one of which grants a hybrid form (Mooncursed).

There's lion shaman druid archetype.

Skinshaper druid (wildshape into a catfolk).

Beastmorph alchemist is good or metamorph alchemist.

Shadow Lodge

Slyme wrote:
Basically the only way I will ever get to play one is if they get bumped into the 'Featured' races when they move on from the elemental planar races.

I doubt that'll ever happen, but it's very possible that they'll become a general con boon race at some point, which you can get via GMing at an online "con" like TPKon.

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Pathfinder Lost Omens Subscriber

Also, keep your eyes open, I think there's a Tiger Shifter Aspect.

If it doesn't get disallowed for being one of the better ones that everyone is forced to take, currently.

Dataphiles 3/5

You can trade for boons based on artistic/mini-painting services as well. Might be enough to get you a Catfolk once they make it into the regular con boon rotation.

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Slyme wrote:
If you wanted to play a cat person in PFS without needing a boon, how would you go about it?

I have an oracle with the wolf- ..... I mean cat-scarred face curse. How's that work for you?

Grand Lodge

Unfortunately I am no artist, so that doesn't help me either.

Not sure if re-skinning the curse would fly in PFS, from what I have seen, any kind of re-skinning is frowned upon at best, and flat out not allowed in most cases.

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Pathfinder Lost Omens Subscriber

Wait to see if the Wildling feat from Ultimate Wilderness is approved?

Grand Lodge

The Wilding feat would definitely do it. Now I just need to wait for them to figure out what they are going to do about that cluster**** of a book and add it to the additional resources.

Scarab Sages 2/5

Druid lion shaman is another way to be cat-like

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