Polymorphed Kineticist — what counts as prehensile for kinetic blast?

[NeverWinning]

I'm playing a kineticist. If I get polymorphed into a bird, can I still use my blast with my feet? I don't have hands, so I know the (or a prehensile appendage if you don't have hands) clause applies.

The problem is, I don't know if there's a PFS definition of what is prehensile. The dictionary seems to indicate "capable of grasping", so bird feet would count. I just don't know if that's good enough for PFS... Thoughts?

[Mystic_Snowfang]

Just looked up prehensile....

O_O

Now I have an image that won't go away from my mind.

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

pre·hen·sile
prēˈhensəl,prēˈhensīl/Submit
adjective
(chiefly of an animal's limb or tail) capable of grasping.

Sounds like a bird foot would work just fine. Arguably so would a beak, but validate with your DM.

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

Also, just had a great idea for an NPC. Baleful polymorphed (bird) kineticist who failed the transformation save, but made the “keep your mind” save. Shenanigans ensues.

[Dαedαlus]

Ooh... so, don’t tieflings have a prehensile tail alternate racial trait?

[Mystic_Snowfang]

Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

pre·hen·sile

prēˈhensəl,prēˈhensīl/Submit
adjective
(chiefly of an animal's limb or tail) capable of grasping.

Sounds like a bird foot would work just fine. Arguably so would a beak, but validate with your DM.

My DM is awesome and allows me to have my fox-shaped kitsune use her mouth. Makes me feel like I'm playing a pokemon instead... in a horror game.

It's brilliant.

[Dαedαlus]

Please tell me that
A) your kitsune is a pyrokinetecist
B) they’re named Vulpix

[Mystic_Snowfang]

Dαedαlus wrote:

Please tell me that

A) your kitsune is a pyrokinetecist
B) they’re named Vulpix

Well she's a black coated fox who has realasitc likeness and does telekentic and chaokenetic stuff. But her name isn't Zorark. It's Aishie.

Dαedαlus wrote:

Ooh... so, don’t tieflings have a prehensile tail alternate racial trait?

Yup, my oracle has that. He's a demon-spawn and decended from a incubus.

Also for the horrible realization I had... go look up taipers and prehensile (if you're over 18)

[graystone]

Check Ultimate Wilderness, Magic Item slots: It lists what creature can grasp things. Avian, biped (claws), and Biped (hands). This means birds (even flightless ones), bats, flying dino's, biped dino's (like raptors/compsognathus, kangaroos, and monkey/apes are good to go for a kineticist.

Mystic_Snowfang wrote:

My DM is awesome and allows me to have my fox-shaped kitsune use her mouth. Makes me feel like I'm playing a pokemon instead... in a horror game.

It's brilliant.

There IS a multiclass workaround for other shapes like a fox. 1 level of White-Haired Witch gives you a prehensile limb [hair] that's also a natural attack with a 5' reach. 4 levels of Ectoplasmatist can also get you 2 non-natural reach weapon/prehensile limbs [though 4 levels is a BIG dip].

[Taenia]

Remember than when change shape you lose the natural attacks of your original form, white hair from the witch is a natural attack.

[graystone]

Taenia wrote:

Remember than when change shape you lose the natural attacks of your original form, white hair from the witch is a natural attack.

A natural attack gained from your CLASS and not your form. You have that attack no matter what for you take.

Secondly, White Hair is a (Su) or supernatural ability, and not an EX one. As such, it is retained as it's NOT form based.

So, no, you do not lose it when you change forms.

[Perfect Tommy]

True, but nowhere is the white hair witch hair, described as prehensile.
The ability to attack/grapple with your hair does not thereby make it prehensile.

Nor would I treat it as such.

[graystone]

Perfect Tommy wrote:

True, but nowhere is the white hair witch hair, described as prehensile.

The ability to attack/grapple with your hair does not thereby make it prehensile.

Nor would I treat it as such.

You skipped the class blurb where it literally calls it prehensile. "A white-haired witch concentrates her mysterious powers on improving her prowess in melee, using feats of agility and her prehensile hair to deal extreme damage."