Bloodrager / Fighter multiclass feat question

[Crexis]

I'm planning on doing a multiclass frontliner. After the first 5 levels, I'm asking if I get a feat at level 6.

If I go level 6 Fighter then level 7 a bloodrager - would I get a feat at both level 6 and 7?

If I go level 6 bloodrager then level 7 fighter - would I only get a feat at level 7 and not at level 6?

At level 8 and after I'm going to stay as a fighter. Can I game the system in this way to get an extra feat?

[Chess Pwn]

so fighter 6 gets a fighter feat at lv6 normally and then at lv7 you get a feat normally too.

bloodrager 6 and fighter 7 would have all the normal feats of a bloodrager 6 and the lv7 feat and the fighter's bonus lv1 feat.

so no, the order you take stuff in can't get you an extra feat by doing it a different order.

[Crexis]

My first level dip into Bloodrager normally gets a feat at level 6 total?

I thought bloodrager wouldn't get a feat at level 6, only at level 7 since u normally get a feat at every odd level.

[Chris Kenney]

It doesn't work like that. Character Level is a measure of overall power, but, when you get one, you sort of 'spend' it to get a Class Level. Class Levels must be 'bought' in order, so you don't get to skip them just because your Character Level is higher. The usual nomenclature for writing down class levels makes this more clear.

Bloodrager 6 / Fighter 1 = A character whose Character Level is 7, with 1 level of Fighter and 6 of Bloodrager.

Fighter 6 / Bloodrager 1 = A character whose Character Level is 7, with 1 level of Bloodrager and 6 levels of Fighter.

Fighter 7 / Bloodrager 6 = A character whose Character Level is 13, with 7 levels of Fighter and 6 levels of Bloodrager.

(This isn't actually the way multiclassing is usually talked about. I said 'spend' and 'bought' but that isn't really what's going on, I just used those words to try to make it a little easier to understand.)

[Crexis]

Yes I understand that, just not completely clear about when you get to grab the feats.

I'm assuming/asking do you get to take a feat at every odd level your total character level is at?

And of course the fighter will take a feat at every level.

[Deighton Thrane]

The fighter bonus feat feature doesn't give you a feat at every level, it provides bonus feats at set levels. If you multiclass, you still get the bonus feats when the fighter table and class features tell you you do. So when you have 6 levels of fighter you get a bonus feat. Whether that happens at character level 6 or 7 doesn't matter. So if fighter 6 is your 7th character level, you would get both a regular feat from character advancement, as well as a bonus combat feat from the fighter class features.

[Crexis]

Deighton, thank you, that clarifies a lot.

Just to summarize:

Character level 6, Bloodrager 1 --> no feats
Character level 6, Fighter 1 --> 1 bonus feat for level 6, 1 feat for fighter being level 1 ? (2 total feats)

Character level 7 Fighter 1 --> 1 feat, 1 more feat for level 1 fighter (2 total feats)

Character level 7 Bloodrager 1 --> 1 feat (for being level 7)

Is that correct? Hope that makes sense.

[Chess Pwn]

a fighter level 6 has a feat for level 1,3,5 and fighter feats for 1,2,4,6 so 7 feats total. Then if you take a level of bloodrager you get your lv7 feat.

a bloodrager lv6 has a feat for level 1,3,5 and bloodline feat for level 6 so 4 feats total. Then if you take a level of fighter you get your fighter lv1 feat and your lv 7 feat.

If you're a bloodrager 7 you have your lv 1,3,5,7 feats and your bloodline lv6 feat and then go fighter you get your fighter lv1 feat.

if you're a fighter lv7 you have your lv 1,3,5,7 feats and your fighter level 1,2,4,6 feats and then you get no new feat from bloodrager.

[Crexis]

For levels 1 to 5, I'm a different class, not fighter or bloodrager. I'm level 1 monk, and Level 2-5 I'm a druid.

So at total level 6 - Fighter 1: I get 2 feats + 1 bonus feat for lvl 6?

At total level 7 - Bloodrager 1: I get 1 feat for level 7.

After that can I go back into Fighter levels?

Alternatively:

Total level 6 - Bloodrager 1: No feats, that right?

Total level 7 - Fighter 1: 2 Feats (1 for level 7, 1 for fighter 1)

[Deighton Thrane]

So, I'm going to format it a little differently so it's a bit easier to visualize the character. These are the class features you get:

1 Monk : AC Bonus, Flurry of blows, Stunning Fist, Unarmed Strike, Bonus Feat
2 Druid : Nature bond, nature sense, orisons, wild empathy
3 Druid : Woodland Stride
4 Druid : Trackless Step
5 Druid : Resist Nature's Lure, Wild Shape 1/day
6 Fighter : Bonus Feat
7 Bloodrager : Bloodline, Bloodline Power, Bloodrage, Fast Movement,

On top of that you would get the regular things from character advancement, such as an ability score boost at character level 4 and feats at every odd level. All totaled, you should have 4 feats from total character level, one bonus feat from the monk list of bonus feats, and one bonus combat feat from the fighter. Switching the order that you take the classes doesn't change the class features you will have if you still have the exact same total levels of each class. Switching the order of fighter and bloodrager will only mean that the bonus feat you get at character level 6 would come at character level 7 when you also get a a feat from character advancement. You don't get more feats, or different class features, it's all the same, just different order.

[Crexis]

For 6 Fighter 1, on top of the bonus feat, wouldnt you also get another feat for fighter level 1?

At level 8, am I allowed to go back to 8 Fighter 2?

[Deighton Thrane]

The feat you get from fighter level 1 is your bonus feat, you only get the one. And yes, you can take levels from any class freely (so long as you meet any prerequisites), so you could take another level of fighter after taking a level of bloodrager.

[Atalius]

Deighton Thrane wrote:

The feat you get from fighter level 1 is your bonus feat, you only get the one. And yes, you can take levels from any class freely (so long as you meet any prerequisites), so you could take another level of fighter after taking a level of bloodrager.

I thought u get feats level 1,3,5,7,9 etc, the fighter has a "Bonus feat" listed at level 1 shouldn't that be in additional to the normal feat a fighter gets?

[Philippe Lam]

For the purposes of brute damage, at level 6 I would go that kind of multiclassing : Paladin (Oath of Vengeance 4) - Bloodrager 1 - Fighter 1 - explaining why that split.

If the PC has a good enough charisma, the saves are big and it can smite probably 5 or 6 times a day which is more than enough. To benefit from a greater bloodrage, this would need a full progression. As for the barbarian, the low will and reflex saves would bring the same problem as for a solo-classed Fighter, but this one is more versatile on its own.

Short planning (assuming human, otherwise removing one feat) :
1 - Paladin - Power Attack, Noble Scion of War
2 - Paladin
3 - Bloodrager - Extra Rage
4 - Fighter - Weapon Focus (any)
5 - Paladin - Toughness
6 - Paladin

Noble scion would allow to react faster, and power attack is compulsory for obvious reasons. But otherwise as you see fit. If possible, putting another dip of Lore Oracle to get Reflex saves and dodge AC on charisma instead of dex but it's optional.

Now it depends of how you want to build it, maybe you have another idea in mind.

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

Atalius wrote:

Deighton Thrane wrote:

The feat you get from fighter level 1 is your bonus feat, you only get the one. And yes, you can take levels from any class freely (so long as you meet any prerequisites), so you could take another level of fighter after taking a level of bloodrager.

I thought u get feats level 1,3,5,7,9 etc, the fighter has a "Bonus feat" listed at level 1 shouldn't that be in additional to the normal feat a fighter gets?

Everyone gets a feat at character level 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, etc. Those can be any feat you qualify for. Fighters additionally get bonus feats at fighter level 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc. Those must be combat feats that you qualify for. So if your 6th character level is a wizard level, you get no feat then. If your 6th character level is your 1st, 2nd, 4th, or etc fighter level then you get a fighter bonus feat then. (This is the "one feat" Deighton Thrane referred to.) If your 6th character level is your 3rd, 5th, 7th, etc fighter level you get no feat then. If your 7th character level is your 2nd fighter level then you get one general feat and one combat feat then.

Hope this helps clear things up.

[Crexis]

Thanks, yes I understand now!