Water Dancer Question


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So a couple questions on the Water Dancer, but does Nereid's Grace apply Charisma to the Kineticist abilities gained, or is it solely for monk abilities? The text of the ability is as follows: He uses his Charisma score instead of his Wisdom score to determine the size of his ki pool and the DC and effects of monk class features

Because if the latter applies, it would seem the archetype designed to make the Monk even more MAD. If the former applies, then it looks like a very SAD Monk.

I would assume that AC Bonus still relies on Wisdom, so Nereid's Grace makes Monk rely on three abilities for AC. But I guess I put the question to the floor. What's it look like?


Rules only affect what they say they affect. If that is the complete wording then it only affects the ki pool and the DC/effects of monk class features. It has no effect on kineticist abilities.


Can you combine it with Scaled Fist?


Wildstag wrote:

So a couple questions on the Water Dancer, but does Nereid's Grace apply Charisma to the Kineticist abilities gained, or is it solely for monk abilities? The text of the ability is as follows: He uses his Charisma score instead of his Wisdom score to determine the size of his ki pool and the DC and effects of monk class features

Because if the latter applies, it would seem the archetype designed to make the Monk even more MAD. If the former applies, then it looks like a very SAD Monk.

I would assume that AC Bonus still relies on Wisdom, so Nereid's Grace makes Monk rely on three abilities for AC. But I guess I put the question to the floor. What's it look like?

It doesn't change the Kineticist stuff, because that was never based on Wisdom to begin with. It does change the AC bonus to Charisma, though, and since it also grants a typed bonus to AC equal to your Charisma, you get Charisma to AC twice. (At least until they errata what was probably a mistake.)


deuxhero wrote:
Can you combine it with Scaled Fist?

Trivially, no. The both trade Wisdom for Charisma, so they can't stack. There are probably some other conflicts.


deuxhero wrote:
Can you combine it with Scaled Fist?

Why would you want to?


graystone wrote:
deuxhero wrote:
Can you combine it with Scaled Fist?
Why would you want to?

Theme, probably? One makes you draconic, the other gives you a cold energy blast that you can flavor as a minor breath weapon.


Wildstag was talking about Water Dancer being MAD with its charisma/wisdom split. If it combined with Scaled Fist it would fix that.


deuxhero wrote:
Wildstag was talking about Water Dancer being MAD with its charisma/wisdom split. If it combined with Scaled Fist it would fix that.

How? Both trade wis for Cha... What do you think still uses wis for the Water Dancer?

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