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If I reach a level where I gain multiple feats, such as one through level up and one as a bonus combat feat, can I take a pre-req feat and the feat it's the pre-req for at the same time?
For example, Improved Critical and Seize the Moment?
Yes. There is technically a proper order to what you can take first/second/etc., but I've never seen that enforced.
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When adding new levels of an existing class or adding levels of a new class (see Multiclassing, below), make sure to take the following steps in order. First, select your new class level. You must be able to qualify for this level before any of the following adjustments are made. Second, apply any ability score increases due to gaining a level. Third, integrate all of the level's class abilities and then roll for additional hit points. Finally, add new skills and feats. For more information on when you gain new feats and ability score increases, see Table: Character Advancement and Level-Dependent Bonuses.
Here’s the rules for it. As TL says, nobody really enforces this. Strictly speaking you have to take class bonus feats before feats from levelling up. I doubt even PFS cares, though.
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It would seem the only issue is if there is a skill point requirement on your desired class feat, and then only if the class feat is not a bonus feat that ignores prerequisites.
Applying everything else in the order Chemlak listed would almost always help in meeting the feat prerequisites, since the general feat selection (the one where you do not bypass prerequisites) is dead last.
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The system is even more permissive than that.
Let's say you took Weapon Focus at 1st level and Power Attack at 3rd.
At 5th level you Really want to jump straight to Great Cleave. So, you take Cleave as your 5th level feat, and then you Retrain Weapon Focus to Great Cleave during some down time.
Now your feat prerequisites are all out of order, but it's completely legal and no one cares.
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When adding new levels of an existing class or adding levels of a new class (see Multiclassing, below), make sure to take the following steps in order. First, select your new class level. You must be able to qualify for this level before any of the following adjustments are made. Second, apply any ability score increases due to gaining a level. Third, integrate all of the level's class abilities and then roll for additional hit points. Finally, add new skills and feats. For more information on when you gain new feats and ability score increases, see Table: Character Advancement and Level-Dependent Bonuses.Here’s the rules for it. As TL says, nobody really enforces this. Strictly speaking you have to take class bonus feats before feats from levelling up. I doubt even PFS cares, though.
A character can gain a feat at the same level at which he gains the prerequisite.
Order doesn't matter. The section you quoted is in regards to levelling up ("When adding new levels of an existing class or adding levels of a new class").
When adding new levels of an existing class or adding levels of a new class (see Multiclassing, below), make sure to take the following steps in order. First, select your new class level. You must be able to qualify for this level before any of the following adjustments are made. Second, apply any ability score increases due to gaining a level. Third, integrate all of the level's class abilities and then roll for additional hit points. Finally, add new skills and feats. For more information on when you gain new feats and ability score increases, see Table: Character Advancement and Level-Dependent Bonuses.Here’s the rules for it. As TL says, nobody really enforces this. Strictly speaking you have to take class bonus feats before feats from levelling up. I doubt even PFS cares, though.A character can gain a feat at the same level at which he gains the prerequisite.
Order doesn't matter. The section you quoted is in regards to levelling up ("When adding new levels of an existing class or adding levels of a new class").
Correct. Because the question was “If I reach a level where...” so the levelling up rules seemed to be pretty relevant.
I’d also argue that the specific “integrate class features before selecting general feats from levelling up” rule is more specific than the general “you can select feats at the same level you meet the prerequisites” to the point that if the levelling up feat is a prerequisite to the class feature feat, at the time you select the class feature feat you do not meet the prerequisites yet. That’s RAW. Nobody, not even PFS, enforces that, particularly with retraining as an option.