Arcane Blast and Incorp.


Rules Questions


Rolled Tele Conj Wizard. Opposition schools are illusion, and divination. I kept evocation over divination singularly to blast incorp creatures (force effects).
Will the feat arcane blast effect ghost, astral, extra planar, etc. creatures?


It definitely won't effect them. Off the top of my head I'm not sure if it will affect them.


It is a Supernatural Ability now, so it might do half damage.


TheApapalypse wrote:

Rolled Tele Conj Wizard. Opposition schools are illusion, and divination. I kept evocation over divination singularly to blast incorp creatures (force effects).

Will the feat arcane blast effect ghost, astral, extra planar, etc. creatures?

A common sword will affect extraplanar creatures. Those aren't special. All creatures become extraplanar when not on their home plane. Likewise with astral enemies - those have nothing special either. Those are simply creatures on the astral plane. As long as you are also on the astral plane, you can smack them with common swords.

Ghosts and other incorporeal creatures are another thing though. You need magic to harm them. And even then, if the magic is not a force effect or something that works similarly, you deal half damage. If the Arcane Blast feat is magic (and it should be), you can hit incorporeal foes. You will just do half damage.


Incorporeal Subtype wrote:
An incorporeal creature has no physical body. An incorporeal creature is immune to critical hits and precision-based damage (such as sneak attack damage) unless the attacks are made using a weapon with the ghost touch special weapon quality. In addition, creatures with the incorporeal subtype gain the incorporeal special quality.
Incorporeal Ability wrote:
It can be harmed only by other incorporeal creatures, magic weapons or creatures that strike as magic weapons, and spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities.
Arcane Blast wrote:
This is a supernatural ability.

Incorporeal are affected by Arcane Blast. :)


Azten wrote:
Incorporeal Subtype wrote:
An incorporeal creature has no physical body. An incorporeal creature is immune to critical hits and precision-based damage (such as sneak attack damage) unless the attacks are made using a weapon with the ghost touch special weapon quality. In addition, creatures with the incorporeal subtype gain the incorporeal special quality.
Incorporeal Ability wrote:
It can be harmed only by other incorporeal creatures, magic weapons or creatures that strike as magic weapons, and spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities.
Arcane Blast wrote:
This is a supernatural ability.
Incorporeal are affected by Arcane Blast. :)

But only at half damage.

Quote:
Incorporeal (Ex) An incorporeal creature has no physical body. It can be harmed only by other incorporeal creatures, magic weapons or creatures that strike as magic weapons, and spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities. It is immune to all nonmagical attack forms. Even when hit by spells or magic weapons, it takes only half damage from a corporeal source (except for channel energy). Although it is not a magical attack, holy water can affect incorporeal undead. Corporeal spells and effects that do not cause damage only have a 50% chance of affecting an incorporeal creature. Force spells and effects, such as from a magic missile, affect an incorporeal creature normally.


As I said above before my quote post, yes. However half is much better than none(as a barbarian I once knew found out trying to fight a wraith without a magic weapon).


Cool thank you. Boxing in a ghost is worth losing scry.


Per the 'Incorporeal' description: 'It can be harmed ... by ... supernatural abilities ... Even when hit by spells or magic weapons, it takes only half damage.'
As Arcane Blast is a supernatural ability but not a spell nor a magic weapon, it should affect incorporeal creatures normally.


arrogantfascist wrote:

Per the 'Incorporeal' description: 'It can be harmed ... by ... supernatural abilities ... Even when hit by spells or magic weapons, it takes only half damage.'

As Arcane Blast is a supernatural ability but not a spell nor a magic weapon, it should affect incorporeal creatures normally.

Just as a note, we have already had this discussion. The OP made multiple threads.


Ah, my apologies; I saw some of the duplicates but not the one with discussion.
It's a good thing the discussion was had, though, because it turns out I'm wrong.

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