Tetori grabbing 2 opponents

[Atalius]

I was wondering if I can grapple two targets once I get Greater Grapple at level 6 as a Tetori? I do not have Grabbing Style, I have Snapping Turtle instead. Could I use my Greater Grapple to maintain my grapple on an enemy and then use my standard action to grapple a second enemy? This is assuming I have both hands free.

[Claxon]

Seems like the answer would be yes.

But you will take a penalty to grapple the second character since you will only have 1 hand free at that point (assuming a normal two armed character).

Grabbing Style just lets you do it without penalty, and lets you use your successful check to move or damage both enemies at once. You'll note it never actually grants you the ability to grapple two creatures, it's greater grapple or rapid grapple that does it.

[Atalius]

How would grappling two ppl work, do I just roll once to maintain for both? Can I deal damage on one and then move both of them half my movement? Etc

If I had a bite attack would I get a third grapple opportunity also at -4 like the second?

[Cattleman]

You'll just have to talk with your GM. The grappling rules for multiple things (as a GM who loves using/making multi-grab monsters) are inadequate and confusing and have never been clarified afaik.

Personally I use this for my monsters (and thus my PCs):
* Grappling for several opponents is the same standard action as grappling a single.

* If you have multiple limbs with Grab, each one can initiate grapples. You may take a -20 to keep from being grappled yourself (and the grappling action becomes a free action because you're not being grappled)

* Each Grappling Check (which are combined into the same standard action) can do it's own thing; Pin, damage, etc..

And I'm still debating whether having multiple opponents in your grasp makes it easier for them to get away (-20 to your thing.) But honestly? I'm still working on it. The rules are so incomplete and confusing IMO that you really just need to discuss what makes sense with your GM. I've been reading and using them for years and they honestly contradict themselves many times, to the point you just kinda have to take what they give you and re-configure it to your tastes.

Long story short; 10 people can arrive here with 10 different answers for you IME.

[Scott Wilhelm]

Atalius wrote:

How would grappling two ppl work, do I just roll once to maintain for both? Can I deal damage on one and then move both of them half my movement? Etc

If I had a bite attack would I get a third grapple opportunity also at -4 like the second?

I wouldn't allow a single Grapple Check to count for 2 victims. I think that is against the rules.

Does your Bite Attack have Grab? If so, then yeah, I guess so, if I understand your question correctly. And further, I would probably count a Natural Attack as a "hand" with respect to the -4 for not having 2 hands free, especially if it's a natural attack that has special grappling effects like a Witch's White Hair or a Natural Attack with Grab and/or Constrict like an Alchemist Tentacle. So if you were a Grappler with an Alchemal Tentacle, 1 hand free, and a Shield in your other hand, I would expect you to have no -4 penalty for not having 2 hands free. In a situation like that, the Tentacle should count as a hand.

Although, as far as I know, that is not officially a rule. But, I do believe you are technically allowed to wield your shield in your tentacle, and that would technically not cost you your +4 on your Grapple Check from Grab. That's cheesy, but it would be the GM who cut the cheese by trying to say your Tentacle would not count as a hand. For that particular situation, I suppose you could also take the precaution of making your Shield a Throwing Shield, which can be unclasped as a Free Action and then Dropped as a Free Action.

[Claxon]

Atalius wrote:

How would grappling two ppl work, do I just roll once to maintain for both? Can I deal damage on one and then move both of them half my movement? Etc

If I had a bite attack would I get a third grapple opportunity also at -4 like the second?

You would need to grapple one in one round. The next round use greater grapple to maintain, which uses your move action and not your standard action. For your standard action you grapple the second creature.

You can only move or damage both (with the same action) if you have the grabbing style feat which allows it (grabbing master I think).

[Atalius]

Ahh thank you Claxon