
Grey Lensman |
He's short-tempered but he is a lot more cerebral then he would let you believe.
I don't consider him stupid, just a violent bully with enormous pride issues. In other words, he's already halfway (or more) to being a bad guy from his first moments on screen and his big character flaw is a doozy. If he becomes likeable in any way it will be storytelling of epic proportions. Right now I find myself cheering for anyone to hospitalize him every time I see him. Or better yet, remove his quirk for a very long time, and then toss him to a bunch of people JUST. LIKE. HIM.

Goblin Kid |
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First off, nice getting that alias...
Second of all...
Of COURSE!
It is the second best anime I've ever seen, the top spot being reserved for One Punch Man of course. (YMMV) (I won't bring it up again here, as this thread is devoted to MHA not OPM)
I don't know if anyone likes watching reaction videos here or not, but I know a decent video reaction group currently working their way through the series. Can provide links if any are interested.

All_might! |

That does sound awesome. I'm personally wanting to cosplay all might I need to start lifting lots of weights. I am broad enough at least. Been trying to find one that works for my GF but closet one to her body type and hair is Momo and she is not prepared to wear that costume. So where at igther 13 (which I imagine would be super hot temperature wise) or Toru.

Goblin Kid |

More! More time wasting!She's pretty good as far as individual reactors go, but I think I still like the renegades just a bit better, but each of them is a good reactor and they do it as a group, so it's not even a fair comparison...

Goblin Kid |

All Might reminds me of the old 60s comic book compilations that my library used to have when I was growing up. I daresay he's a good object of study for people who want to RP good Paladins.
And Bakugou makes for a good example of a heroic Chaotic Neutral character.
SO... I just realized, if we want to assign alignments to the characters in this show, Stain would probably be best defined as NG!
He believes himself to be doing the best thing for society as a whole, the very essence of the "good" side of the scale of alignment, but he distrusts the Law, so he can't be Lawful, but doesn't want anarchy, so he isn't Chaotic. Rather, his actions, while extreme, are what he considers to be the best thing for society as a whole, and he is willing to throw away his own reputation to achieve a better future. That's dedication to a cause, and can be best defined under the alignment system as NG.I don't think I've ever seen a more compelling villain one could define as "good"

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I think trying to fit fictional characters into the nine alignments is often a fools errand, but...
Stain's whole schtick is that he murders people for, in game terms, being 'Neutral'--his beef isn't that they've done evil, it's that they've done good for selfish reasons.
But the heroes Stain kills haven't broken any laws, nor caused anyone harm (except in defense of themselves and others). That makes them innocent people, regardless of whether he recognizes them as such. Brutally murdering innocent people is Evil, even if you're delusional enough to think it's the right thing to do.
A villain can be compelling, have sympathetic goals, even be admirable in some respects, and still be Evil.

Azten |

technarken wrote:All Might reminds me of the old 60s comic book compilations that my library used to have when I was growing up. I daresay he's a good object of study for people who want to RP good Paladins.
And Bakugou makes for a good example of a heroic Chaotic Neutral character.
SO... I just realized, if we want to assign alignments to the characters in this show, Stain would probably be best defined as NG!
He believes himself to be doing the best thing for society as a whole, the very essence of the "good" side of the scale of alignment, but he distrusts the Law, so he can't be Lawful, but doesn't want anarchy, so he isn't Chaotic. Rather, his actions, while extreme, are what he considers to be the best thing for society as a whole, and he is willing to throw away his own reputation to achieve a better future. That's dedication to a cause, and can be best defined under the alignment system as NG.
I don't think I've ever seen a more compelling villain one could define as "good"
And this road is paved with stone bricks carved from Mt. Good Intentions...
I'll give you Evil, but not good. He cripples and murders.

Goblin Kid |

I don't know.
I've always seen alignments as more of what the people think of themselves, rather than what others think.
He caries out his own justice, and whatnot, and probably views it as his "task or fate" to have to do it.
I don't really think that objectively he was "right" or that he was "good" but if he views himself as in the right and working to improve others lives, then he would ostensibly be on the "good" side of the alignment block.
Also, I understand that Alignment is one of the most hotly debated topics of the RPG world, so YMMV.

Grey Lensman |
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I think trying to fit fictional characters into the nine alignments is often a fools errand, but...
Stain's whole schtick is that he murders people for, in game terms, being 'Neutral'--his beef isn't that they've done evil, it's that they've done good for selfish reasons.
But the heroes Stain kills haven't broken any laws, nor caused anyone harm (except in defense of themselves and others). That makes them innocent people, regardless of whether he recognizes them as such. Brutally murdering innocent people is Evil, even if you're delusional enough to think it's the right thing to do.
A villain can be compelling, have sympathetic goals, even be admirable in some respects, and still be Evil.
I haven't hit his arc yet, but it sounds like Lawful Evil - he has a strong code, if a twisted one.
Saying he doesn't see himself as evil is a cop-out. Most villains, even the ones willing to commit genocide, still think of themselves as being on the right side.

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I think lawful evil fits. I think he thinks its a good action. Alignment I think might be easiest to determine if you look at it from a societal angle. It is also an artificial construct and not an absolute like math. So one would expect some variance. plus their is plenty of shades of grey. however lets not turn this into a alignment thread I prefer this thread to remain open.

Goblin Kid |
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Can we just say that season 3 is AMAZING and Allmight was outstanding in the latest episode. I CANNOT WAIT FOR SATURDAY!
Edit: I thought that the tournament arc would be a waste of time, but we saw great character development, which was totally needed before the events this season. 10/10 great planning and foresight.

Greylurker |
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This season has been really great and that last episode was amazing. Basically every warning Deku has ever been giving about crippling himself with his own power just came and slapped him in the face.
also, damn Toga is scary when animated
Saying he doesn't see himself as evil is a cop-out. Most villains, even the ones willing to commit genocide, still think of themselves as being on the right side.
It's a rare villain who actually sees themselves as being Evil, but they are out there.
Actually one of my favorite comic book scenes involves Dr. Sivana on a tropical island beach wearing a Hawaiian shirt and straw hat, coming to an epiphany of "You know what....I'm an Evil Genius....and I'm ok with that"

Goblin Kid |

This season has been really great and that last episode was amazing. Basically every warning Deku has ever been giving about crippling himself with his own power just came and slapped him in the face.
also, damn Toga is scary when animated
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Saying he doesn't see himself as evil is a cop-out. Most villains, even the ones willing to commit genocide, still think of themselves as being on the right side.It's a rare villain who actually sees themselves as being Evil, but they are out there.
Actually one of my favorite comic book scenes involves Dr. Sivana on a tropical island beach wearing a Hawaiian shirt and straw hat, coming to an epiphany of "You know what....I'm an Evil Genius....and I'm ok with that"
I failed to word my argument properly.
I would list Stain's actions as evil, but since he is in his eyes, being unselfish, and trying to do the best for everyone, I believe that a good case for his alignment under pathfinder rules could be set at NG.I also don't believe that the alignment system is a good argument for objective morality.
Beyond that though, yeah, season 3 is really, really awesome, and All-Might's reaction to this has shown me that what I thought he looked like pissed, was really his annoyed and concerned face.

Goblin Kid |

I don't think Bakugo will do all that much before everything else goes down.
also, is anyone else annoyed by the fact that they basically stated that self defense is illegal for non-heroes? That's... stupid, and technically means Bakugo just broke the law, as did the lady with the force-field in episode 1 of the whole series.

Greylurker |
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I think the law specificly prohibits fighting with your powers, there are lots of examples in the manga of people just using them for day to day stuff. If violence breaks out most people are expected to use their powers to get out of harms way while the pros contain the situation. The issue with the Camp attack is that there was no way anyone else would show up to protect the kids and no way the villains were going to just let them go. So fighting back was really the only way for them to protect themselves.
Technically Bakugo might still have permission....at least no one has told him he doesn't anymore.

Goblin Kid |
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I don't normally stress the details on a TV show, but it's still a pretty stupid law, and this series is good enough it deserves to be taken seriously, and yeah, we saw that the police prefer to sweep these kinds of things under the rug, but you've got to admit, it seems like way more of a headache than it's worth.

Greylurker |

True, but he showed everyone the kind of person he really is deep down. Yeah he is violent and rage happy but deep down his goal is to be a HERO, no matter what. His eyes are on that shinning peak and they are not going to waver

Goblin Kid |
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Don't be feeling to bad for All Might quite yet, he has quite the student to teach.
Deku's estimated full-power:
961,024,474,944,854,345,728 lbs of force per punch
7,450,580,596,923,828,125 lbs of force is the lowest possible full force.
I then looked up the average punching power of a black belt in karate/average human athletes punch
Took the highest human potential for two of the holders (all-might and All-for-One) and multiplied them all together
So the top one is my educated guess, and the bottom one is the lowest stats required for inheriting the power without exploding.
This means at minimum, Deku's acceleration potential is 827,842,288,547,092,013 in./s^2
Which is just shy of 70,139,170 times the speed of light
I'm nearly positive that this makes him more powerful than Goku has ever been. and proves beyond a doubt, that 1) we've yet to see his full power, and 2) his quirk does strengthen his body.

All_might! |
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Yeah the comic medium and manga mediums tend not to worry about scaling and physics.
That said full power I would totes take Goku...
Superman Has demonstrated infinite strength so we will see.
Now one punch man could be interesting.
Of course Popeye beats them all. Punched so hard he broke the 3rd wall. That a serious punch right there.
Just to give an example of comic scaling. Smartest people in all literature TV and what have you pretty well comes down to comic book character first then you can spread to other fields. people like lex luthor tony stark Mr. fantastic set the bar so far above everyone else its just redicukous. The longer the comic line goes to the more absurd they get too.

Goblin Kid |
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Yeah the comic medium and manga mediums tend not to worry about scaling and physics.
That said full power I would totes take Goku...
Superman Has demonstrated infinite strength so we will see.
Now one punch man could be interesting.
Of course Popeye beats them all. Punched so hard he broke the 3rd wall. That a serious punch right there.Just to give an example of comic scaling. Smartest people in all literature TV and what have you pretty well comes down to comic book character first then you can spread to other fields. people like lex luthor tony stark Mr. fantastic set the bar so far above everyone else its just redicukous. The longer the comic line goes to the more absurd they get too.
Ya mean Fourth wall there buddy?