Haste gives an extra attack when using the full attack action. Which is a full round action but not all full round actions are full atta k acfions.
So no extra attack.
However you'd gain the bonus to hit to a.c. to reflex and boost to speed.
Full round actions emulating a full attack benefit from Haste. E.g. Spell Combat, Pounce.
Both of those are written to give full round attacks. The dervish gets attacks up to a certain number. It doesn't say gets full attacks. That's the difference
Specifically for this conversation, we're talking about the term "full attack." Some rule elements such as haste say "when making a full attack action." Other rule elements such as pounce say "it can make a full attack." And in some cases it's even less specific, such as the magus spell combat ability which says "he can make all of his attacks with his melee weapon," which was later clarified in an FAQ to mean "as many weapon attacks as you would normally be able to make with a full attack."
We on the design team aren't sure that treating those three terms differently helps the game or makes it easier to learn or play. We also think that allowing martial characters to benefit more often from haste is a good thing.
i don't see a problem with it. say even if the dance was a standard action or a swift one. the moment it say you get a number of attacks up to the number you can have when u full attack that mean if your hasted you get that many.
haste increase full attack for +1 attack. ability look at full attack for number of allowed attacks -> when hasted if you would have been doing a full attack youd get a +1 attack -> you get that many attacks with the dance.
what more all of them would be at full bab. but remmber no more then one per target. i think most of the time at 15+ levels unless ganged up youd be hard to use this to it's full effect anyway.
I wrote this ability and I think you should get the extra movement speed and the extra attack on whirlwind dance. As with my other forum posts about this archetype (and indeed, all designer posts), this isn't an official clarification, but if you do want to use it, I'd recommend using the other ones too.
Cool Mark. Would it be on a separate person? For just extra
I'm not 100% sure what you mean here - but it's the internet so.... Haste doesn't give you more than 1 extra attack. 'Whirlwind Dervish' doesn't change this.
For the sake of clarity - here is an example:
You have 4 attacks on a full round attack. You are *surrounded* by 5 people - on a full round attack you can attack 4 of these people with *one* attack (at the bonus associated) so +16 (dude 1), +11 (dude 2), +6 (dude 3), +1 (dude 4).
You get hasted - now you can attack all 5 of these people with *1* attack each. +16 (dude 1), +16 (dude 2), +11 (dude 3), +6 (dude 4), +1 (dude 5).
All that whirwind dervish does to the above example - is allow you to make the same attack sequence if those 'dudes' are spread around (assuming you can move to them all in the same round). You can get even make all your attacks on the same dude, or as many as you want up to your maximum. If you continue to move past the first dude - you can make attacks (as you wish) against the other dudes until you run out of attacks or movement.
Hopefully that makes sense.
"Each attack is made at her highest attack bonus, and must target a different creature."
My question is simply wiuld haste add ob another attack ot would you need another target to get it based on the ability. But I think you're inccorect on the "All attacks on the same dude" part.
Haste adds 1 attack to your full attack action.
Full AttackIf you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough (see Base Attack Bonus in Classes), because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon, or for some special reason, you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks. You do not need to specify the targets of your attacks ahead of time. You can see how the earlier attacks turn out before assigning the later ones.
Noting in whirlwind dervish changes this part. The only thing whirlwind dervish changes is it allows you to move and full attack. To whit - She can make attacks against creatures with her reach during this movement, up to the number of attacks she’s entitled to with a full attack. To explain this better - pretend there is only one creature you are fighting but they are 20 feet away. Where in the rules does it say you can't attack that creature with all your attacks?
Assuming you now see we can attack a single creature - now show me where in the rules for full attack or whirlwind dervish that says you must split your attacks or that you must attack anyone during your movement. There is nothing in the rules that says this - so you can split your attacks up however you want - as long as you go from high bonus to low bonus in order.
The second half of this sentence, in the middle of Whirlwind Dance is crystal clear:
"Each attack is made at her highest attack bonus, and must target a different creature. "