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I make this post with trepidation as I know how much work it is to report.
However, I ran my 10th table of Starfinder last night, but see only 7 table credits.
I am missing the table I ran of Claim to Salvation, and two slots of Quest Demos.
Any word when reporting is expected to be completed?
Thank you!
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No problem. It may take some time, as I remember one of my tables was not found for months after last GenCon. (I told myself I would take photos of my signin sheets after that. I apparently lied to myself.)
Yes after last year I told myself the same thing I took 3 pictures out of 8 tables this year to hopefully not have that issue. Of course the ones I took pictures of were already reported I'm just waitingredients for both specials to get reported to have my 200th table
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Hey, Steve - there are problems with the reporting portion of the site. The last estimate I saw last week said maybe 5 weeks before it’s fixed.Two months on and I'm still missing credit for some of the Starfinder quests I ran at GenCon.
Any update on this?
Was that estimate from last week or from right after GENCON? LOL
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Was that estimate from last week or from right after GENCON? LOL
Approximately five weeks from October 6 according to this post by Erik Keith from the Paizo team.
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It may never be fixed. At some point we'll have to call it as done as can be done. AFAIK, the database/reporting system is still experiencing significant problems. There are entire conventions in my region that say they cannot report.
Okay, so if it cannot be fixed... Is it ethical for us to create an event called GenCon Table Fix to which we can report those GM tables that are missing? In other words, give back GMs their missing tables?
Don't get me wrong, I loved going to GenCon 50 as a Tier One GM. I am grateful that I got a hotel room with awesome roomies, that I met wonderful people, and that my badge was comped. I loved that I got my very own kitty boon for my efforts!
I was proud that I had spent six weeks prepping for my tables, and had done a lot of work prepping up my paper minis and doing map triage so that I could cover all my games and still fly with no checked bags.
That said:
1) The GenCon Tier One schedule is Stressful. I GMed with inadequate sleep, had to pack my lunches, carry my stuff, and prepare for anything from complete newbies to utter munchkins at my tables.
2) The GenCon Tier One schedule means that you never see the Store. Seriously, you are electing to give your entire GenCon convention to Organized Play.
Given that GMing at GenCon was more work than Gming elsewhere... I don't think it's unreasonable for those GMs to request getting the tables they earned.
If we can't fix the database, let's find another way of giving GMs their table credits.
Hmm
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Okay, so if it cannot be fixed...
That's a decision that would have to come from Paizo/Tonya. Our general rules would say no and we certainly do not want anyone doing anything like that on their own. I/we can sympathize with those wanting to see their GM credits appear, but having GM/VO go in and start creating duplicate events and reporting ghost tables is probably not a [pandora's] box we want to open.
My comment was merely meant to point out that its been more than three months and the problems, where ever they stem from, seem to persist. That could be an indication that Paizo is unable to fix them or just plain doesn't have the time without impacting ongoing important business like online sales, system updates, etc. Its a harsh fact, but let's be honest, GM stars/PFS reporting are probably not very high on the business model priority list. Most would probably agree if taking time to fix this issue would result in extended website downtime, lost online orders, product release delays, etc. better to focus on the "important" tasks.
The more time that passes, the more likely the accuracy of the missing data becomes suspect and the less importance it carries. Its just a guess, but at some point the value of that data being accurately reported is outweighed by the effort it'll take to fix whatever issues exist and get it entered/corrected (aka ROI).
The only things we know are that the problems with the reporting system persist, Paizo is aware, and working on solutions in some form or fashion. There is no timeline, AFAIK, to when that condition may change. Its unfortunate, but something we just have to accept, at least for the time being.
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Sigh. I understand, Bob.
I have learned an important lesson from Gen Con. I now take photos of all my scenario tracking sheets and keep them until they are reported. Can you add this to the GM tips that you send out to Gen Con GMs, so that all of GMs now know that we bear the responsibility for the proof of our tables?
Hmm
PS I do not want to sound grumpy here... I am really trying not to whine about this. But I think that Paizo should extend trust to us on this, and make every effort to restore those missing credits.
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I have learned an important lesson from Gen Con. I now take photos of all my scenario tracking sheets and keep them until they are reported. Can you add this to the GM tips that you send out to Gen Con GMs, so that all of GMs now know that we bear the responsibility for the proof of our tables?
If I am involved with the leadership team for Gen Con again this year, I will certainly add this to the list. Thanks
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Bob,
I respect you greatly, but I have to flat out disagree with you.
It is unacceptable for any of us to accept "We don't have the time or want to spend the resources fixing whatever the problem is". For the record, I have not heard this said to us yet by anyone at Paizo. You simply suggest that we just accept it and move on.
But no. The backbone of PFS, and now SFS, is us the GMs. We deserve the recognition that Paizo established. As indicated by Hilary, it is important to us. And I know it is important to you.
I have been following the thread on the reporting problem in the website feedback area and it sounds like they are close to pushing out a fix.
So hopefully that fix will be what most of us need.
Respectfully,
Gary
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You misunderstand my use of "accept." I'm not making a value statement, I'm making an observation. I am not suggesting you cannot be upset or frustrated by the situation. The reality is, we have absolutely no choice but to accept it. We literally cannot do anything about this situation unless you consider posting complaints about it as "doing" something. The community doing anything within the reporting system such as what Ms. Murphy suggested is not approved and will do more harm than good. The fact of the matter is, the system is not functioning and only Paizo can fix it. So far, they have been unable to do so. It really is as simply as that.
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Here’s the link to Erik Keith’s comment.
I can currently verify that all reported GM sessions at GenCon are now properly displaying using the test codebase. With a bit of luck we're hoping we'll have the code rolled some time next week. :)
It's the same code causing this for other conventions, so when the code rolls you should see sessions populate regardless of event, the current code just doesn't realize it's supposed to be showing it to you.
Let’s hope that this comes true!
Hmm
