Reach weapons, long arm and enlarge person


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The following numbers are shorthand for the different square distances you can threaten/attack, 1 being adjacent.

Medium sized: 1
Medium sized, long arm: 1 and 2
Medium sized, reach weapon: 2
Medium sized, long arm, reach weapon, 2 and 3
Enlarged: 1 and 2
Enlarged, long arm: 1, 2, 3
Enlarged, reach weapon 2 and 3
Enlarged, long arm, reach weapon: 2, 3 and 4

As I understand long arm is natural reach (doesn't specify, I further assume that this growth in arm length extends the reach for the weapons you're holding in them), so is enlarge. And enlarge gives +5 natural reach.

Correct?


As far as I know you can't stack long arm with enlarge person. Since both are magical effects that affect size. Enlarge Person spells that out in it's spell description.

Enlarge Person

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Enlarged, reach weapon 3 and 4
Enlarged, long arm, reach weapon: 3, 4, and 5

I believe you are correct except for corrections I've made above. Being enlarged doubles your reach, including the 'dead space' around you where you cannot attack with the reach weapon.

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Katapesh Fried Chicken wrote:

As far as I know you can't stack long arm with enlarge person. Since both are magical effects that affect size. Enlarge Person spells that out in it's spell description.

Enlarge Person

Long Arm doesn't affect size, only reach. I see no reason they would not stack.


The text calls out doubling in size and all that, but as far as reach is concerned it only specifies that an M creature growing to L gets a natural reach of 10, rather than 5. It seems a logical conclusion from the weapon growing in size though.

So if enlarge doubles the range (of the weapon), why wouldn't it enlarge the longer arms?

Making an enlarged long arm creature have a reach from 1-4.


Trish Megistos wrote:

The text calls out doubling in size and all that, but as far as reach is concerned it only specifies that an M creature growing to L gets a natural reach of 10, rather than 5. It seems a logical conclusion from the weapon growing in size though.

So if enlarge doubles the range (of the weapon), why wouldn't it enlarge the longer arms?

Making an enlarged long arm creature have a reach from 1-4.

No, the Longarm spell increases a creature's reach by 5' regardless of the creatures size.


I see, thank you.


don't forget that a reach weapon double your natural reach, so if you are enlarge you have a reach of 1 and 2 with a reach weapon its 3 and 4, enlarge and longarm its 1,2 and 3 with a reach weapon its now 4,5 and 6 now

Combat wrote:
Large or larger creatures using reach weapons can strike up to double their natural reach but can't strike at their natural reach or less.

so i would say that a medium or small also strike their double natural reach with longarm, since normally only large and larger creature have a natural reach that is more than 5 feat


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John Murdock wrote:

don't forget that a reach weapon double your natural reach, so if you are enlarge you have a reach of 1 and 2 with a reach weapon its 3 and 4, enlarge and longarm its 1,2 and 3 with a reach weapon its now 4,5 and 6 now

Combat wrote:
Large or larger creatures using reach weapons can strike up to double their natural reach but can't strike at their natural reach or less.
so i would say that a medium or small also strike their double natural reach with longarm, since normally only large and larger creature have a natural reach that is more than 5 feat

Longarm does not double reach. Longarm adds +5' reach.

It does this regardless of the target's size, be it diminutive or colossal. It does this regardless of what the target is wielding, be it a natural weapon or reach weapon.


i never say longarm double the reach i was talking with a reach weapon, longarm add 5 to your natural reach, so if enlarge+longarm+reach weapon you attack at 4,5 and 6 instead of 1,2 and 3


Enlarge: 1,2
Enlarge, reach weapon: 3, 4
Enlarge, reach weapon, long arm: 3, 4, 5


John Murdock wrote:
i never say longarm double the reach i was talking with a reach weapon, longarm add 5 to your natural reach, so if enlarge+longarm+reach weapon you attack at 4,5 and 6 instead of 1,2 and 3

Long Arm does not increase your natural reach, it increases whatever your current reach is by 5'

For a large creature with a reach weapon, reach is increased from 20' to 25'


Long Arm wrote:
Your arms temporarily grow in length, increasing your reach with those limbs by 5 feet.

you limbs have a reach of 5 more feat, so your natural reach is 5 more long, it never increase the reach of the weapon, so having long arm while being large the reach is 4,5 and 6 because without it its 1,2 and 3

enlarge: 1,2
Enlarge, Long Arm: 1,2,3
Enlarge, Long Arm, Reach Weapon: 4,5,6


John Murdock wrote:
Long Arm wrote:
Your arms temporarily grow in length, increasing your reach with those limbs by 5 feet.

you limbs have a reach of 5 more feat, so your natural reach is 5 more long, it never increase the reach of the weapon, so having long arm while being large the reach is 4,5 and 6 because without it its 1,2 and 3

enlarge: 1,2
Enlarge, Long Arm: 1,2,3
Enlarge, Long Arm, Reach Weapon: 4,5,6

What is the creature's Reach?

  • Medium = 5'
  • Medium with reach weapon = 10'
  • Large = 10'
  • Large with reach weapon = 20'

Apply the following to each of the above values.

Long Arm wrote:
Your arms temporarily grow in length, increasing your reach with those limbs by 5 feet.

Nothing in the spell states a larger creature gains more benefit than a smaller creature. Reach is increased by 5' regardless of creature size.


and reach weapon double the reach of the creature, longarm increase the limb of the creature so it can attack 5 more feet, the natural reach of their limb is increase. like i said longarm do not double, reach weapon double it, longarm effect is before reach weapon effect

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There's a FAQ that says you add long arm after doubling your natural reach not before.
FAQ


ok then, since the FAQ say it.

i find it a little stupid, since lunge already said the melee attack is increase by 5 feet while long arm say you arm have 5 more feet of reach, but by the FAQ we must go by that officialy


John Murdock wrote:
and reach weapon double the reach of the creature, longarm increase the limb of the creature so it can attack 5 more feet, the natural reach of their limb is increase. like i said longarm do not double, reach weapon double it, longarm effect is before reach weapon effect

No, the natural reach is not increased.

Whatever the creature's current reach is is increased by 5'

That is all the spell says it does.


TheZombiePunch wrote:

There's a FAQ that says you add long arm after doubling your natural reach not before.

FAQ

Thank you.

I knew there was a FAQ, but it's not under the ACG, where Long Arm was published.


Trish Megistos wrote:

The following numbers are shorthand for the different square distances you can threaten/attack, 1 being adjacent.

Medium sized: 1
Medium sized, long arm: 1 and 2
Medium sized, reach weapon: 2
Medium sized, long arm, reach weapon, 2 and 3
Enlarged: 1 and 2
Enlarged, long arm: 1, 2, 3
Enlarged, reach weapon 2 and 3
Enlarged, long arm, reach weapon: 2, 3 and 4

As I understand long arm is natural reach (doesn't specify, I further assume that this growth in arm length extends the reach for the weapons you're holding in them), so is enlarge. And enlarge gives +5 natural reach.

Correct?

An enlarged person with a reach weapon is 3 and 4, ie they can hit creatures 15 and 20 feet away, but not 5 or 10 feet away. An exception is the pole arm master (a fighter archetype) which can hit creatures 5 and 10 feet away with a pole arm, at a -4 penalty, though that penalty is reduced at higher levels.

An enlarged person with long arm and a reach weapon will be 3, 4 and 5. Pretty awesome with Whirlwind Attack, which is what I am aiming for. If you have the Lunge feat on top of that, it is 3, 4, 5, and 6.


So why not go for a polearm master to have a reach of 1 through 5?

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