Bonus to Knowledge skills you do not have a rank in.


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Hi everyone.

I'm looking at making a low level bard, and I seem to remember a trait or feat that gives a bonus to all knowledge skills that you do not have a rank in.

Tried finding it, but my google fu is weak. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

I was planing to use the Historian (Human) trait to boost bardic knowledge to 2, so searching for other things that will boost all my knowledge skills.

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Is it really worth it? As a bard you get plenty skillpoints, and the bonus for activating a class skill is much better than the benefits of such a "you can do this untrained and suck slightly less than normal" ability.

By level 3 any bard can have a point in all knowledges without compromising other skills.


Its for an adventure that will start at lvl 1 and go over the xmas holidays, so will probably end up at lvl 2.

So the goal is to boost skills at lvl 1.


Just remember (unless I'm forgetting a special ability) that you can't make a knowledge check over DC10 if you don't have a rank in it.


Claxon: True, unless your a bard :)

Bardic Knowledge (Ex)

A bard adds half his class level (minimum 1) to all Knowledge skill checks and may make all Knowledge skill checks untrained.

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Grakul wrote:

Claxon: True, unless your a bard :)

Bardic Knowledge (Ex)

A bard adds half his class level (minimum 1) to all Knowledge skill checks and may make all Knowledge skill checks untrained.

That depends on who you're asking what the rule means. Anyone can already make knowledge checks untrained. The rule is that you just can't beat a DC 10 unless you have a rank in it. Now if you ask me I believe the RAI is that this ability means that you can bypass DC10 and that's how I'd rule it. But I'm not going to argue someone else's interpretation that says "you still can't do this because it doesn't say you can" because they're also technically right.

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claudekennilol wrote:
Grakul wrote:

Claxon: True, unless your a bard :)

Bardic Knowledge (Ex)

A bard adds half his class level (minimum 1) to all Knowledge skill checks and may make all Knowledge skill checks untrained.

That depends on who you're asking what the rule means. Anyone can already make knowledge checks untrained. The rule is that you just can't beat a DC 10 unless you have a rank in it. Now if you ask me I believe the RAI is that this ability means that you can bypass DC10 and that's how I'd rule it. But I'm not going to argue someone else's interpretation that says "you still can't do this because it doesn't say you can" because they're also technically right.

Specific beats general, according to the rules. The bard's specific class ability overrules the general rules about knowledge skill checks.

The feat Breadth of experience gives a +2 on all knowledge and profession checks. You do have to be an elf, dwarf, or gnome who's at least 100 years old, though.

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You should look at the Knowledge skill again, claudekennilol.

Knowledge Skill wrote:
Untrained: You cannot make an untrained Knowledge check with a DC higher than 10.

If you compare the actual text to the Bard ability rather than what you remember the text to be, the meaning is clear. Bards are allowed to make untrained Knowledge checks higher than DC 10 where most classes are not.

Grand Lodge

I know there's the improvisation feat and improved version that humans get


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The human-only feats Improvisation and Improved Improvisation are probably what you are looking for.

But if you are trying to buff knowledge checks, nothing beats worshiping Irori and taking the Deific Obedience feat (+4 to all Knowledge checks, regardless of whether you have ranks in them). Okay, maybe doing the same with Magdh is a slight improvement if you are not playing PFS.


Balancer: Yeah, Improvisation was the feat I remembered. Ouch.... 2 feat for a +2 bonus.

KingOfAnything: Breadth of Experience might work somehow... now to make that 100 year old gnome adopted by humans for the Historian (Human) trait.


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Grakul wrote:
Balancer: Yeah, Improvisation was the feat I remembered. Ouch.... 2 feat for a +2 bonus.

It is not quite that bad -- each feat gives you a +2 bonus, for a total of +4 if you have both. But there are definitely better choices available.


OP, here's a trait if you want one:

Possessed (Magic) wrote:
Once per day, you can attempt a Knowledge check of your choice even if you are not trained in that skill and it is not usually possible to use that skill untrained. If you can normally use that skill untrained, you gain a +2 trait bonus on the check.

It's only once per day, but it is pretty much what you wanted.

claudekennilol wrote:
Grakul wrote:

Claxon: True, unless your a bard :)

Bardic Knowledge (Ex)

A bard adds half his class level (minimum 1) to all Knowledge skill checks and may make all Knowledge skill checks untrained.

That depends on who you're asking what the rule means. Anyone can already make knowledge checks untrained. The rule is that you just can't beat a DC 10 unless you have a rank in it. Now if you ask me I believe the RAI is that this ability means that you can bypass DC10 and that's how I'd rule it. But I'm not going to argue someone else's interpretation that says "you still can't do this because it doesn't say you can" because they're also technically right.

That would flat out be ignoring what the ability says you can do. Which is make knowledge checks untrained where you otherwise wouldn't be able to due to it normally being a trained-only skill. Why on earth would an ability give you a redundant feature unless it meant something to say that.

Genuinely, what on earth are you talking about?

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