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I am using a 23 point build, i don't need con as I am undead. I am a custom build race, undead racial, extra feat, skilled, flexible stats.

This comes to:

  • Undead (16 RP)
  • Flexible (2 RP)
  • Flexible Bonus Feat (4 RP)
  • Skilled (4 RP)
  • Fly 70ft (Perfect) (14RP)

For a total of 40 RP.

I am thinking a charisma build as i need the charisma for hit points so I was thinking mysterious stranger.

My stats i was thing of going with for mysterious stranger
Str: 7
Dex: 16 + 2
Con: --
Int: 12
Wis: 14
Cha: 16 + 2

For a generic gunslinger
Str: 7
Dex: 16 + 2
Con: --
Int: 12
Wis: 16 + 2
Cha: 12

I am not sure what feats and when to take them, and if i should go mysterious stranger or not, to optimize my character. My gm is the one who recommended flight to me for my character, and there is a good chance i will be raised when the chance arises, my character was killed and raised by a necromancer but i wasn't the mindless undead he wanted i was a sentient undead, who ran off on him.

This game will be played in a Sky's of Arcadia type world, floating islands, traversed by flying creatures and flying machines, best guns are flint lock types of guns no advances or technology guns.

Any help would be appreciated.

Mysterious stranger is a good archetype at first but bad by fifth level. Also if you're raised from the dead then charisma will stop being your hit point stat. Stick with the base gunslinger, or an archetype which doesn't change the grit stat - maverick, throne warden or musket master would work for you.

For feats, if you go with musket master (I probably would, unless I had a concept which wanted something else) try
1: Point Blank Shot
Class 1: Rapid Reload (muskets)
Race: Precise Shot
3: Rapid Shot
Class 4: Weapon Focus (Musket)
5: Deadly Aim

After this you probably want to multiclass as gunslinger offers little after 5th level. Warpriest, Eldritch Archer Magus, Slayer, Ranger... any of these and more have something to offer with the second set of stats.
avr wrote:

Mysterious stranger is a good archetype at first but bad by fifth level. Also if you're raised from the dead then charisma will stop being your hit point stat. Stick with the base gunslinger, or an archetype which doesn't change the grit stat - maverick, throne warden or musket master would work for you.

For feats, if you go with musket master (I probably would, unless I had a concept which wanted something else) try
1: Point Blank Shot
Class 1: Rapid Reload (muskets)
Race: Precise Shot
3: Rapid Shot
Class 4: Weapon Focus (Musket)
5: Deadly Aim

After this you probably want to multiclass as gunslinger offers little after 5th level. Warpriest, Eldritch Archer Magus, Slayer, Ranger... any of these and more have something to offer with the second set of stats.

Should I make alchemical carriages so I can get my reload time down to a free action, or just get my weapon enchanted with permanent reloading hands spell.

Also what do you think of swashbuckler to get my level added as precision damage.

A reloading hands enchantment sounds expensive. If your GM is OK with using the permanency spell that's ~6 000 gp. If it's a magic item 2*3*2000 gp = 12 000 gp. Maybe at mid-levels but until then you'll want alchemical cartridges.

Edit: As regards swasbuckler, I don't think that works. A musket isn't a light or one handed piercing melee weapon - in two different ways!
avr wrote:

A reloading hands enchantment sounds expensive. If your GM is OK with using the permanency spell that's ~6 000 gp. If it's a magic item 2*3*2000 gp = 12 000 gp. Maybe at mid-levels but until then you'll want alchemical cartridges.

Edit: As regards swasbuckler, I don't think that works. A musket isn't a light or one handed piercing melee weapon - in two different ways!

I think I will go slayer then.

don't dump str dump con also go trench fighter gets you gun training at level 3 go str 10, dex 18, con 7, int 12, wis 14, cha 14 if a 25 point buy or 10,18,7,10,12,14 for a 20 point buy trade some fly points for advanced ability score instead of flexible +4dex-2con+2int,wis and cha and probably could stick fast healing in as well
Lady-J wrote:
don't dump str dump con also go trench fighter gets you gun training at level 3 go str 10, dex 18, con 7, int 12, wis 14, cha 14 if a 25 point buy or 10,18,7,10,12,14 for a 20 point buy trade some fly points for advanced ability score instead of flexible +4dex-2con+2int,wis and cha and probably could stick fast healing in as well

I have changed my character to a bolt ace slinger, and I am undead so i don't have a con, my hit points are based on charisma.

My stats are:
Str: 7
Dex: 16 + 2 Race
Con: --
Int: 12
Wis: 16 + 2 Race
Cha: 14

Feats up to level 8 are:
R1 Rapid Reload(Heavy XBow)
L1 Point-Blank Shot
L3 Rapid Shot
C4 Crossbow Mastery
L5 far shot
L7 Precise Shot
L8 Deadly Aim

Once i get 5 levels in bolt ace ii am going into slayer, sniper build, should i take feats with my slayer talents which can be taken as rogue talents and because of that ninja talents, or take actual talents.
wintersrage wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
don't dump str dump con also go trench fighter gets you gun training at level 3 go str 10, dex 18, con 7, int 12, wis 14, cha 14 if a 25 point buy or 10,18,7,10,12,14 for a 20 point buy trade some fly points for advanced ability score instead of flexible +4dex-2con+2int,wis and cha and probably could stick fast healing in as well

I have changed my character to a bolt ace slinger, and I am undead so i don't have a con, my hit points are based on charisma.

This comes to:

  • Undead (16 RP)
  • Advanced (4 RP)
  • Flexible Bonus Feat (4 RP)
  • Skilled (4 RP)
  • Fly 40ft (Average) (8 RP),
  • Fast Healing 1(6 RP)

For a total of 42 RP.

My stats are:
Str: 7 + 2
Dex: 16 + 4 Race
Con: -- - 2 Race
Int: 12 + 2 Race
Wis: 16 + 2 Race
Cha: 14 + 2 Race

Feats up to level 8 are:
R1 Rapid Reload(Heavy XBow)
L1 Point-Blank Shot
L3 Rapid Shot
C4 Crossbow Mastery
L5 far shot
L7 Precise Shot
L8 Deadly Aim

Once i get 5 levels in bolt ace ii am going into slayer, sniper build, should i take feats with my slayer talents which can be taken as rogue talents and because of that ninja talents, or take actual talents.

    This is my race for the game i will be playing in
  • Undead (16 RP)
  • Advanced (4 RP) +4 dexterity, -2 constitution, +2 intelligence, wisdom and charisma
  • Flexible Bonus Feat (4 RP)
  • Skilled (4 RP)
  • Fly 50ft (Average) (8 RP)
  • Fast Healing 1(6 RP)

For a total of 42 RP
wintersrage wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
don't dump str dump con also go trench fighter gets you gun training at level 3 go str 10, dex 18, con 7, int 12, wis 14, cha 14 if a 25 point buy or 10,18,7,10,12,14 for a 20 point buy trade some fly points for advanced ability score instead of flexible +4dex-2con+2int,wis and cha and probably could stick fast healing in as well

I have changed my character to a bolt ace slinger, and I am undead so i don't have a con, my hit points are based on charisma.

My stats are:
Str: 7
Dex: 16 + 2 Race
Con: --
Int: 12
Wis: 16 + 2 Race
Cha: 14

Feats up to level 8 are:
R1 Rapid Reload(Heavy XBow)
L1 Point-Blank Shot
L3 Rapid Shot
C4 Crossbow Mastery
L5 far shot
L7 Precise Shot
L8 Deadly Aim

Once i get 5 levels in bolt ace ii am going into slayer, sniper build, should i take feats with my slayer talents which can be taken as rogue talents and because of that ninja talents, or take actual talents.

stats are generated b4 applying anything so you can still dump con plus a martial with a penalty to str is going to be garbage

Lady-J wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
don't dump str dump con also go trench fighter gets you gun training at level 3 go str 10, dex 18, con 7, int 12, wis 14, cha 14 if a 25 point buy or 10,18,7,10,12,14 for a 20 point buy trade some fly points for advanced ability score instead of flexible +4dex-2con+2int,wis and cha and probably could stick fast healing in as well

I have changed my character to a bolt ace slinger, and I am undead so i don't have a con, my hit points are based on charisma.

My stats are:
Str: 7
Dex: 16 + 2 Race
Con: --
Int: 12
Wis: 16 + 2 Race
Cha: 14

Feats up to level 8 are:
R1 Rapid Reload(Heavy XBow)
L1 Point-Blank Shot
L3 Rapid Shot
C4 Crossbow Mastery
L5 far shot
L7 Precise Shot
L8 Deadly Aim

Once i get 5 levels in bolt ace ii am going into slayer, sniper build, should i take feats with my slayer talents which can be taken as rogue talents and because of that ninja talents, or take actual talents.

stats are generated b4 applying anything so you can still dump con plus a martial with a penalty to str is going to be garbage

I have to buy my stats as though i have a 10 in constitution as per

Purchase:
When using the purchase method for ability scores, assume members of races without Constitution have a Constitution score of 10 and buy the rest of the abilities normally using the points allocated for the campaign’s power level.

So my new stats will be as follows

My stats are:
Str: 10 Costing 0
Dex: 16 + 4 Race Costing 10
Con: -- - 2 Race Costing 0
Int: 10 + 2 Race Costing 0
Wis: 16 + 2 Race Costing 10
Cha: 14 + 2 Race Costing 5
wintersrage wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
don't dump str dump con also go trench fighter gets you gun training at level 3 go str 10, dex 18, con 7, int 12, wis 14, cha 14 if a 25 point buy or 10,18,7,10,12,14 for a 20 point buy trade some fly points for advanced ability score instead of flexible +4dex-2con+2int,wis and cha and probably could stick fast healing in as well

I have changed my character to a bolt ace slinger, and I am undead so i don't have a con, my hit points are based on charisma.

My stats are:
Str: 7
Dex: 16 + 2 Race
Con: --
Int: 12
Wis: 16 + 2 Race
Cha: 14

Feats up to level 8 are:
R1 Rapid Reload(Heavy XBow)
L1 Point-Blank Shot
L3 Rapid Shot
C4 Crossbow Mastery
L5 far shot
L7 Precise Shot
L8 Deadly Aim

Once i get 5 levels in bolt ace ii am going into slayer, sniper build, should i take feats with my slayer talents which can be taken as rogue talents and because of that ninja talents, or take actual talents.

stats are generated b4 applying anything so you can still dump con plus a martial with a penalty to str is going to be garbage

I have to buy my stats as though i have a 10 in constitution as per

** spoiler omitted **

dang still wouldn't dump str tho if anything dump int and keep str at 10 minimum

Lady-J wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
wintersrage wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
don't dump str dump con also go trench fighter gets you gun training at level 3 go str 10, dex 18, con 7, int 12, wis 14, cha 14 if a 25 point buy or 10,18,7,10,12,14 for a 20 point buy trade some fly points for advanced ability score instead of flexible +4dex-2con+2int,wis and cha and probably could stick fast healing in as well

I have changed my character to a bolt ace slinger, and I am undead so i don't have a con, my hit points are based on charisma.

My stats are:
Str: 7
Dex: 16 + 2 Race
Con: --
Int: 12
Wis: 16 + 2 Race
Cha: 14

Feats up to level 8 are:
R1 Rapid Reload(Heavy XBow)
L1 Point-Blank Shot
L3 Rapid Shot
C4 Crossbow Mastery
L5 far shot
L7 Precise Shot
C7 Deadly Aim(Slayer for rogue talent)

Once i get 5 levels in bolt ace ii am going into slayer, sniper build, should i take feats with my slayer talents which can be taken as rogue talents and because of that ninja talents, or take actual talents.

stats are generated b4 applying anything so you can still dump con plus a martial with a penalty to str is going to be garbage

I have to buy my stats as though i have a 10 in constitution as per

** spoiler omitted **

dang still wouldn't dump str tho if anything dump int and keep str at 10 minimum

I am now my strength is now 10.

My new stats are as follows

My stats are:
Str: 10 Costing 0
Dex: 16 + 4 Race Costing 10
Con: -- - 2 Race Costing 0
Int: 10 + 2 Race Costing 0
Wis: 16 + 2 Race Costing 10
Cha: 14 + 2 Race Costing 5

With these racial traits:

  • Undead (16 RP)
  • Advanced (4 RP) +4 dexterity, -2 constitution, +2 intelligence, wisdom and charisma
  • Flexible Bonus Feat (4 RP)
  • Skilled (4 RP)
  • Fly 50ft (Average) (8 RP)
  • Fast Healing 1(6 RP)

For a total of 42 RP

Feats up to level 8 are:
R1 Rapid Reload(Heavy XBow)
L1 Point-Blank Shot
L3 Rapid Shot
C4 Crossbow Mastery
L5 far shot
L7 Precise Shot
L8 Deadly Aim
Once i get 5 levels in bolt ace i am going into slayer, sniper build, should i take feats with my slayer talents which can be taken as rogue talents and because of that ninja talents, or take actual talents.

Should i take the rogue talent to get some extra feats using my slayer talent to get them?

try 10,18,-,8,14,14 for the point buy grit isn't as needed with bolt ace but higher dex is also would go fighter over slayer they get more feats and better passive buffs for doing damage

The reason i chose slayer(sniper archetype) is for the sniper abilities of

Accuracy:
(Ex): At 1st level, a sniper halves all range increment penalties when making ranged attacks with a bow, a crossbow, or a firearm. This ability replaces track.

Deadly Sniper:
(Ex): At 2nd level, when the sniper makes an attack against a target who is within his weapon's first range increment and completely unaware of his presence, that attack ignores the 30 foot range limit on ranged sneak attacks, and if it is a sneak attack, he adds his sniper level as a bonus on his sneak attack damage roll. After this first attack, the target is aware of the sniper's presence.

Also i can't drop my con to 8 i have to build my character as though it was a 10 as per the rules in t he advanced race guide.
wintersrage wrote:

The reason i chose slayer(sniper archetype) is for the sniper abilities of

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

Also i can't drop my con to 8 i have to build my character as though it was a 10 as per the rules in t he advanced race guide.

the - is the con the 8 is int but unless you plan on only fighting enemies 5+ range increments away you probably will only get like one maybe two ranged sneak attacks off per session were as a fighter will net you +8 to hit and +10 damage all the time in any situation were as the slayer will net you 5d6 sneak attack at most in only some occasions

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