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I'm working on a half-elven Fighter. He's going to start with Ancestral Weapon Mastery to get a floating Weapon Focus. I've already cleared this somewhat wonky wording of Ancestral Weapon Mastery with the DM; I.E. I will get Weapon Focus. How does this feat interact with Martial Versatility?
Prerequisites: Fighter level 4th, human.
Benefit: Choose one combat feat you know that applies to a specific weapon (e.g., Weapon Focus). You can use that feat with any weapon within the same weapon group.
Special: You may take this feat more than once. Each time it applies to a different feat.
Benefit(s): You’re proficient with all of your race’s racial weapons (the weapons mentioned in your race’s weapon familiarity racial trait). If you’re already proficient with any of those weapons, you instead gain Weapon Focus for one of those weapons as a bonus feat. Furthermore, if you gain Weapon Focus as a bonus feat with one of your racial weapons as a result of this feat, you can change which racial weapon your bonus Weapon Focus feat applies to by engaging in 10 minutes of practice with the new weapon.
The benefits of this bonus Weapon Focus feat last until you choose to practice and apply it to a different racial weapon.
Since it says 'one combat feat', and it has to apply to a specific weapon (singular), I think you need to choose one of the Weapon Focus' you possess and have Martial Versatility apply only to that Weapon Focus. You technically have Weapon Focus in all your weapon familiarity weapons (since you can switch into them), but Martial Versatility only applies to one of those. And Martial Versatility doesn't change with Ancestral Weapon Mastery. You just lose access to Martial Versatility.
Sorry to burst your bubble like that :(
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I only get one Weapon Focus feat. So let's say it's Weapon Focus Elven Branched Spear. Now, if I understand Weapon Groups Elven Branched Spear is a Spear, a Heavy Blade, and a Monk Weapon. So with Martial Versatility does Weapon Focus now apply to the Bo Staff, the Longspear, the Bastard Sword or what? Is there RAW as to what I do with this?
No, I think you've misunderstood the Elven Branched Spear. They're only in the Spears weapon group. So it works with a longspear, but not with anything else.
I think you're confusing it with seven-branched sword, which is a monk weapon in both the monk and heavy blades weapon group.
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Since it says 'one combat feat', and it has to apply to a specific weapon (singular), I think you need to choose one of the Weapon Focus' you possess and have Martial Versatility apply only to that Weapon Focus. You technically have Weapon Focus in all your weapon familiarity weapons (since you can switch into them), but Martial Versatility only applies to one of those. And Martial Versatility doesn't change with Ancestral Weapon Mastery. You just lose access to Martial Versatility.
Sorry to burst your bubble like that :(
I'm confused as to why it doesn't work properly. Weapon Focus, which is mentioned in the RAW of Martial Flexibility is one feat, not several feats as you suggest. It is both technically and actually one feat. I don't see why it can't be altered by more than one feat. The target of Martial Versatility isn't changing, the target of Weapon Focus is. I've heard tell in other forums that Martial Flexibility doesn't work with many feats, but surely it always works with Weapon Focus since it's clearly RAW.
The problem comes up when you change your weapon focus. Normally you can't (without retraining) so everything is clear when interacting with other feats. But what you need to remember is that weapon focus: greatsword and weapon focus: earth breaker (just throwing out examples) are separate feats, so you would select one when you get martial flexibility.
So let's say you have Ancestral weapon mastery and it grants you weapon focus: elven branch spear and take martial flexibility and select your weapon focus. Everything is clear there, you can use other Spears and get the weapon focus bonus.
The next day you change your AWM: weapon focus to :elven curved blade. You now can't use martial flexibility. The reason being that while Ancestral weapon mastery let you change your weapon focus, it didn't let you change your martial flexibility feat which is still set to elven branched spear, a feat you don't have.
Tldr: Weapon focus is several feats effectively.
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I agree with that last bit, "Weapon focus is several feats effectively" but I'm not sure you know the difference between effectively, an actually. You see AWM only speaks of one Weapon Focus feat. In fact it is not the feat that changes
Tldr: Weapon focus is several feats effectively.
The benefits of this bonus Weapon Focus feat last until you choose to practice and apply it to a different racial weapon.
So you see it is the benefit and not the feat that is being applied to a different weapon. In the shell game the pea moves around and around but there is still only one pea. I see the RAI that you put forward but the text does not say "This bonus Weapon Focus feat lasts until you choose to practice and replace it with a weapon focus feat for a different racial weapon" instead it says "The benefits of this bonus Weapon Focus feat last until..." It's not replacing the feat it is merely adjusting the target of the feat, which is the same thing Martial Flexiblity does. You might as well argue that when Martial Flexibility allows me to "use that feat with any weapon within the same weapon group" that it ceases to function because the other weapons in the weapon group are not Elven.
Okay, so I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it's RAI.
The biggest problem I see with this is what happens when you take another weapon focus? If martial flexibility applies to any weapon focus you have rather than one specific one, do you suddenly gain the ability to apply that weapon focus to everything in that weapon group?
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Okay, so I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it's RAI.
The biggest problem I see with this is what happens when you take another weapon focus? If martial flexibility applies to any weapon focus you have rather than one specific one, do you suddenly gain the ability to apply that weapon focus to everything in that weapon group?
Yes, After 10 minutes of practice.