I just found out about this game, and have read some of the lore that I can find, but I must say that I am disappointed that the PF races won't be included (as far as I can see) in this game.
Will I be able to just shove Elves/Dwarves into this game, or will it require some tinkering, or a whole rework?
Pathfinder races are included in the Core Rulebook, and updated for Starfinder's setting. You can check out artwork of an Elf of Castrovel in the most recent Starfinder news article featured at Enworld. While the Pathfinder races will not be featured as prominently in Starfinder - as Golarion's disappearance led to them having much small populations in proportion to other existing Starfinder races - they will be around. Dwarves in asteroid mining star citadels, high-tech elven kingdoms on Castrovel, goblin pirates, etc.
http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?4091-EXCLUSIVE-A-Look-At-The-Plane t-Castrovel-From-The-Upcoming-Starfinder-RPG#.WRCyWogrLIU
The core pathfinder races will be included in the core rulebook but they won't be considered as part of the core races. There was even recent article explaining what elves are up to during this time. And it ahs been previously mentioned that dwarves are currentlly living in star citadels that mine asteorid belts. The pathfinder core races still exist and will be playable but will be taking a step back in terms of focus.
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I just found out about this game, and have read some of the lore that I can find, but I must say that I am disappointed that the PF races won't be included (as far as I can see) in this game.
Will I be able to just shove Elves/Dwarves into this game, or will it require some tinkering, or a whole rework?
There are an awful lot of people here who are having a very hard time coming to grips with the fact that Starfinder =/= Pathfinder. The sooner you do so, the better off you'll be. At least that's what I'm getting from what little Paizo is actually saying, and more so as more information about the game is released. SF is not PF, is not meant to "expand" PF, or even be an eventual continuation of PF. It is an entirely separate, unique game that just happens to be set in the same universe as PF, with little to no correlation to PF otherwise. That's the very reason for "The Gap;" to maintain absolute isolation between the two games while preventing the one from invalidating or overtly influencing the other. In other words, to isolate SF from PF as much as possible. That's how I'm approaching it in the meta, as it were.
Edit: What I mean by "what little Paizo is saying" is that I wish someone from Paizo would come out and say what I just said. I wish people would stop making speculative comparisons and treat the two as mostly unrelated.
Apologies to the OP for replying to his question with a rant. I grow weary, is all. Not your fault.
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I just found out about this game, and have read some of the lore that I can find, but I must say that I am disappointed that the PF races won't be included (as far as I can see) in this game.
Will I be able to just shove Elves/Dwarves into this game, or will it require some tinkering, or a whole rework?
There are an awful lot of people here who are having a very hard time coming to grips with the fact that Starfinder =/= Pathfinder. The sooner you do so, the better off you'll be. At least that's what I'm getting from what little Paizo is actually saying, and more so as more information about the game is released. SF is not PF, is not meant to "expand" PF, or even be an eventual continuation of PF. It is an entirely separate, unique game that just happens to be set in the same universe as PF, with little to no correlation to PF otherwise. That's the very reason for "The Gap;" to maintain absolute isolation between the two games while preventing the one from invalidating or overtly influencing the other. In other words, to isolate SF from PF as much as possible. That's how I'm approaching it in the meta, as it were.
Edit: What I mean by "what little Paizo is saying" is that I wish someone from Paizo would come out and say what I just said. I wish people would stop making speculative comparisons and treat the two as mostly unrelated.
"Take your favorite fantasy RPG to the stars! Set thousands of years in Pathfinder's future..." Even if it's a stand-alone game that can be played without any Pathfinder materials there is some connections implied in the very first sentence. They take about taking "Your Favorite fantasy RPG to the Stars" this being Pathfinder. They also state it is set in the far flung future of Pathfinder. I mean it's hard to call it detached after stating the connections quite directly. Click on the star finder image if you want to see it yourself. I don't really call this speculation.
Apologies to the OP for replying to his question with a rant. I grow weary, is all. Not your fault.
It's a weird rant, because it's wrong. The races are there (in the book even). The continuity is there (the elves are continuing their cowardly and bigoted traditions on Castrovel). The gods are still there. Absolute isolation between the settings is nigh impossible.
There are some derailed storylines thanks to the time frame and the Gap, but the main 'disconnect' is the classes, which are pretty artificial in setting terms anyway.
The core book had a section on pathfinder raves and either new state for them or an improvement on the old ones.
Well, this makes me feel better. I am actually excited to see if I can 1:1 import characters across the barrier. This would be a ton of fun for a time-travelling crew.
We know that all of the Pathfinder core races will be described as Starfinder races in the Starfinder Core Rulebook. What we don't know is whether the racial conversion rules will be trivially obvious or whether we will have to wait for full conversions of the races outside the known 11 (as four of the core Starfinder races have stats as non-core Pathfinder races).
"Take your favorite fantasy RPG to the stars! Set thousands of years in Pathfinder's future..." Even if it's a stand-alone game that can be played without any Pathfinder materials there is some connections implied in the very first sentence. They take about taking "Your Favorite fantasy RPG to the Stars" this being Pathfinder. They also state it is set in the far flung future of Pathfinder. I mean it's hard to call it detached after stating the connections quite directly. Click on the star finder image if you want to see it yourself. I don't really call this speculation.I just found out about this game, and have read some of the lore that I can find, but I must say that I am disappointed that the PF races won't be included (as far as I can see) in this game.
Will I be able to just shove Elves/Dwarves into this game, or will it require some tinkering, or a whole rework?
There are an awful lot of people here who are having a very hard time coming to grips with the fact that Starfinder =/= Pathfinder. The sooner you do so, the better off you'll be. At least that's what I'm getting from what little Paizo is actually saying, and more so as more information about the game is released. SF is not PF, is not meant to "expand" PF, or even be an eventual continuation of PF. It is an entirely separate, unique game that just happens to be set in the same universe as PF, with little to no correlation to PF otherwise. That's the very reason for "The Gap;" to maintain absolute isolation between the two games while preventing the one from invalidating or overtly influencing the other. In other words, to isolate SF from PF as much as possible. That's how I'm approaching it in the meta, as it were.
Edit: What I mean by "what little Paizo is saying" is that I wish someone from Paizo would come out and say what I just said. I wish people would stop making speculative comparisons and treat the two as mostly unrelated.
[sheepish]Well, there is that.[/sheepish] It does still seem that the more info is released the more differences come to light, and the correlation of rules, classes, and mechanics becomes more removed. Yet attempts at direct comparison thereof persist. Again, no offense to the OP, but no, it appears we cannot "just shove [Pathfinder mechanics/classes/creatures/whatever] into this game," (even though yes, the PF core races and some conversion methods are included), or even make relatively direct comparisons between them and SF's. Some things are just completely different; even though the two are related historically, they are not necessarily mechanically.
I hope that makes more sense. The Starfinder flavor text is just that. It's a sales pitch meant to attract us PF fans, not to indicate that SF is a direct port of PF "in space." I'll repeat, it seems that the sooner one gets that idea, the better off they'll be in accepting those differences.
That's likely to run into more problems with the classes being different than the races.
At which point I would either have them convert to a SF class, or if it works-ish just keep the PF. I don't really mind the issues, as long as it doesn't run headfirst into a mechanical wall like SF classes have two different types of HP or something.
At which point I would either have them convert to a SF class, or if it works-ish just keep the PF. I don't really mind the issues, as long as it doesn't run headfirst into a mechanical wall like SF classes have two different types of HP or something.That's likely to run into more problems with the classes being different than the races.
It could probably work if your character was an elf fighter or rogue timeshifted thousands of years into the future. The Soldier and Operative classes look to be fairly similar thematics-wise, and any Samurai Jack-esque character learns to use laser guns eventually.
At which point I would either have them convert to a SF class, or if it works-ish just keep the PF. I don't really mind the issues, as long as it doesn't run headfirst into a mechanical wall like SF classes have two different types of HP or something.That's likely to run into more problems with the classes being different than the races.
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They DO have two different types of HP.@Ventor- read the dev comments to the operative article. Avoiding the mistakes of the rogue was a fundamental design principle behind the Operative as a class.
At which point I would either have them convert to a SF class, or if it works-ish just keep the PF. I don't really mind the issues, as long as it doesn't run headfirst into a mechanical wall like SF classes have two different types of HP or something.That's likely to run into more problems with the classes being different than the races.
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They DO have two different types of HP.@Ventor- read the dev comments to the operative article. Avoiding the mistakes of the rogue was a fundamental design principle behind the Operative as a class.
I can't find much/any hard data on SF as of yet. Is there anything I can read to see about the mechanical differences?
One of the top threads in this forum should be a collective information thread that links to a google doc with all the known information. i believe the thread also has links to some of the interviews and the two known videos of play. One is a play test of PCs and the other is a ship combat demo i believe.I can't find much/any hard data on SF as of yet. Is there anything I can read to see about the mechanical differences?At which point I would either have them convert to a SF class, or if it works-ish just keep the PF. I don't really mind the issues, as long as it doesn't run headfirst into a mechanical wall like SF classes have two different types of HP or something.That's likely to run into more problems with the classes being different than the races.
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They DO have two different types of HP.@Ventor- read the dev comments to the operative article. Avoiding the mistakes of the rogue was a fundamental design principle behind the Operative as a class.
It doesn't have links but I'm starting to try to get all the links I can.
At which point I would either have them convert to a SF class, or if it works-ish just keep the PF. I don't really mind the issues, as long as it doesn't run headfirst into a mechanical wall like SF classes have two different types of HP or something.That's likely to run into more problems with the classes being different than the races.
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They DO have two different types of HP.@Ventor- read the dev comments to the operative article. Avoiding the mistakes of the rogue was a fundamental design principle behind the Operative as a class.
I have. I did say thematics-wise, after all.
I have. I did say thematics-wise, after all.At which point I would either have them convert to a SF class, or if it works-ish just keep the PF. I don't really mind the issues, as long as it doesn't run headfirst into a mechanical wall like SF classes have two different types of HP or something.That's likely to run into more problems with the classes being different than the races.
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They DO have two different types of HP.@Ventor- read the dev comments to the operative article. Avoiding the mistakes of the rogue was a fundamental design principle behind the Operative as a class.
You did. I didn't get that impression. The operative looks to be a lot more than a trapsmith who also randomly has the ability to shiv people when they aren't paying attention.