So according to Pathfinder Core Rules, Chapter 9, Magic, page 208:
Or in summary, as said in this in this thread by
Bonus Types
Usually, a bonus has a type that indicates how the spell grants the bonus. The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don't generally stack. With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and racial bonuses, only the better bonus of a given type works (see Combining Magical Effects). The same principle applies to penalties — a character taking two or more penalties of the same type applies only the worst one, although most penalties have no type and thus always stack. Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source.
The last sentence of this paragraph references "bonuses" but the sentence before it specifically says "the same principle applies to penalties". This does leave a little room for rules-lawyers to wriggle and squirm and say that only bonuses cannot stack if they're from the same source, but I think the intent of this paragraph is quite clear. Semantically, I would agree that it would have been more clear if the last two sentences were reversed in the order in which they appear, but either way, the meaning is quite clear:
Two or more "typed" penalties of the same type, take the worst one and ignore the rest.
Two or more "untyped" penalties always stack - unless they are from the same source.
But, the first phrase in the Conditional Curse description states that:
This spell functions as bestow curse, except that you must state a condition under which the curse is broken, ending its effect.
The thing is I don't know if that "as" in the description means that Conditional Curse "somehow substitutes" Bestow Curse, or it merely intends to explain how it works.
Other than that, Conditional Curse would comply with the rules in order to be stackable with Bestow Curse: A) Untyped penalties B) From different sources.
So, Do they stack or not?
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No, it's the same debuff with a few adders.
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It's basically like using Bestow Curse twice, which is fine...Assuming you're not trying to inflict the same curse twice.
You could for instance cause a curse to reduce their saves and another to give them only a 50% chance to act. But you couldn't penalize their saves twice.
Bestow Curse is really flexible, so it shouldn't be an issue. Just don't try to double up on the exact same curse (like trying to stack the 50% chance of doing nothing each round) and you're good.
It's basically like using Bestow Curse twice, which is fine...Assuming you're not trying to inflict the same curse twice.
You could for instance cause a curse to reduce their saves and another to give them only a 50% chance to act. But you couldn't penalize their saves twice.
But could I apply the -6 penalty to the same Ability Score from both spells (in order to get a -12)? I thought I could, because the penalties are from different source and are untyped
No, because they're the same source.
Conditional curse functions as bestow curse, making it the same source.
In general a spell or item would be considered a source, even if the bonus type of the spell or item is untyped you still can't use them twice because they're the same source.
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It's basically like using Bestow Curse twice, which is fine...Assuming you're not trying to inflict the same curse twice.
You could for instance cause a curse to reduce their saves and another to give them only a 50% chance to act. But you couldn't penalize their saves twice.
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Bestow Curse and Conditionsl Curse are the same or similar source.
Ask your GM if they could stack to a penalty to the same ability. I'd say No as I see it Athens same source (Bestow Curse).
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