EDV Calculating?


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So I understand the formula for calculating EDV for individual attacks.
If K=average damage on a hit;
EDV=(K x Non-Critical Successes chance) + (K x Non-confirmed crit chance) + (K x Crit Multiplier x Confirmed Crit chance)

So for natural weapons, or iterative attacks, would you plug each one in and then add EDVs together at the end?


Honestly, I don't even know what EDV is for this context.


This right here is where I found the term from.


Ah. Then yea, that's the correct formula. The only problem, of course, is that you have to know the AC of your target for that to work. My GM likes to throw home-made creations in with with stock stuff, so that gets a little tricky.

The only time it even comes CLOSE to working, is if you've either got a hit bonus so high you practically can't miss, or if you're calculating the EDV against yourself, and your AC is so high you practically can't be hit. (With some buffs, I have an Oracle with an AC that his 32. That's pretty hard to hit.)


Natural weapons are kinda nice, though, if you have time to prep for your target. Amulet of Mighty Fists is useful for them. What you lack in iterative attacks, you can make up for by sheer force. And you CAN actually still use Unarmed Strikes with them, because an Unarmed Strike can come from pretty much anywhere... elbows, knees, the head if you don't have a Gore attack (Helmet of the Mammoth Lord)... Technically, your butt counts. I actually did some slightly horrifying math that gives a LOT of extra attacks just from natural attacks. Like, 12+ before any iteration from US.

Couple that with bonus damage from Holy or whatever, and you're hammering your target for a *lot* of damage, even if half your attacks miss.


Yeah. I just ran the formula for a fully self-buffed Synth Summoner loosely based on Amidamaru. K=20, and had a +12 to hit. The EDV for a single attack was 15.75, and after haste, he had 5 attacks, making the total EDV vs AMCREL... 78.75. Which is como ce dice... overkill? 31 AC. +6 fort and ref saves; +10 will.

Which, I mean, if I had time to fire off 3 min/level buff spells I should be strong; but... man.

Edit:
Also a +30 Perception, because learning racial mods stack makes me giddy.


Nah, never overkill.


So....my main comment here is don't use the term EDV.

No one really has any clue what that is.

We all call it DPR, which is technically misleading but it's just the agreed upon term. You're calculating it the same way (as far as I can tell).


There's some variance, but if you check the chart, you can see the normal AC for creatures of a given CR. That's the best number to be checking against.


So I add the DPR values together (for iterative/multiple attacks)?


Yes. Note that you should consider your character's playstyle when doing this - if you're actually making full attacks as your preferred action in-combat, that's how you count it. If you're usually doing single attacks regardless of your BAB, you calculate by that instead. (I feel like this shouldn't need to be said, but people who aren't familiar with crunching the numbers might overlook it, so... yeah.)

Also, remember to calculate the attacks separately, based on each attack's odds of hitting, before combining them to get your actual EDV/DPR.

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