| Purplefixer |
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Speaking about the Golarion setting, undead are tainted by the corruption of the negative energy plane. Animated Skeletons want literally nothing more than to eviscerate all the students, the roast pig is as likely to bite one of the patrons to death as the reverse. There are places in the campaign setting in which they state that the sale of onyx gemstones is tracked in something like the same way the US tracks the sale and useage of legal drugs, because of how dangerous they are in creation unfathomably EVIL monsters.
Also, zombies aren't sanitary.
Humans are creeped out by the sight of corpses, and the animated kind much much more so. Only in places like Geb are you going to find undead accepted in common society. I recommend having a long read through the Inner Sea Campaign Setting to get a real grip on the many different cultures and their attitudes on everything from slavery, to drugs, to undead, to lycanthropy.
| Voss |
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Are zombies allowed in restaurants?
Health violation.
Treat the bones for skeletons before animation, and it would seem fine.What if someone casts Raise Dead on the roast pig? Can the guests of the restaurant chase around their main course so they can eat it?
I doubt the pig would consent to the Raise.
Would animated skeletons be allowed in schools to help teach students about anatomy?
But... they're rather missing the important bits.
| Flack Jack |
Those are all valid concerns for both players and characters to have. The bone sages of Eox must have stricken a hard bargain with the other pact worlds. Possibly a peace was made during the invasion of the Swarm. Maybe they said "give us bodies and we'll buy you time." That's just my speculation. There is certainly lot's of room for tension and intrigue when the undead are at the bargaining table.
| Archmage Variel |
Presumably the majority of the common folk of Eox just want to go about their unlives and not destroy all that breathes.
I wouldn't be so sure. Usually the ones who create the planet sized super weapons and use their bone ships to loot other planets tend to be the ones who wouldn't shy away from a bit of destruction. Since, technologically speaking, all the pact worlds are on relatively equal footing, and the other worlds in the pact are useful meat shields for threats outside the galaxy, the average Eoxia would likely put up with decorum and follow the law so long as they know they wouldn't get away with breaking it. The average Eoxian may not be so average, depending upon whether the commoners of Eox are mindless undead skeletons and zombies, or are undead with human intelligence. Bone sages are likely the ruling undead class, but I doubt bone sages are the ones performing manual labor within their society. If the average Eoxian is a mindless undead drone, their interactions would likely be programmed by the controlling Eoxian. Programming all undead servants to kill on sight could really put a damper on their success in trade and diplomacy. But intelligent undead could easily hold personal prejudices against foreigners, the living in particular.
On the topic of whether zombies are allowed in restaurants, that would probably depend. If you mean mindless zombies, they'd probably be treated the same as a really gross looking blaster. A zombie is a weapon, even if you're not its target at the time. Some places that might normally allow weapons to be carried may still discourage bringing a zombie due to the sanitation needs of actual customers. Technology could also become a factor. If there is a technical way or sterilizing the undead, and the alien morals of the clientele allow for it, then a zombie may be allowed. Intelligent undead can be another matter, which again, depends alot on the society that you are in. Maybe undead are abhorred for religious reasons, but if one can manufacture blood in the future, is there any reason not to sit down and have a drink with a vampire?
In the end, a lot depends on the design choices that paizo and your dm decide to incorporate into the setting.
| CKent83 |
Could a ghost be used as a witness in a murder trial?
In the settings I've played in, magic is generally disallowed as evidence since it is relatively easy to create whatever you want with it. A ghost of someone murdered by an evil cleric could be commanded by that evil cleric to not only clear the murderer, but to condemn one of their rivals. Sure, it's possible to do similar things to living people, but that's all the more reason to disallow magic in court.
| Fardragon |
Laws would clearly differ from world to world. Intelegent undead are full citizens of Eox, with the living likely to be a persecuted minority. On other worlds the status of the undead would differ, but pact worlds would be obliged recognise the rights of citizens of Eox.
As for ghosts giving evidence, this isn't a new situation, it was just as likely to occur in Pathfinder.
| Snowblind |
Tom Kalbfus wrote:Could a ghost be used as a witness in a murder trial?In the settings I've played in, magic is generally disallowed as evidence since it is relatively easy to create whatever you want with it. A ghost of someone murdered by an evil cleric could be commanded by that evil cleric to not only clear the murderer, but to condemn one of their rivals. Sure, it's possible to do similar things to living people, but that's all the more reason to disallow magic in court.
The major point of contention to that is that both mundane and undetectable magic methods of evidence tampering and fabrication exist. Magic is both easier to do and harder to hide, which makes it a bit of a mixed bag, but the things that makes it as useful or even more useful than mundane evidence is that it is much easier to cross-examine. Consider the magically commanded ghost. Yes, a cleric could tamper with it, but another cleric could use Discern Lies on the accused, and if the magical evidence contradicts itself, then everybody knows something fishy is up and *all* the evidence is suspect until the court figures out why.
While the courts *might* refuse to consider magical evidence (stupidity does not preclude people doing it anyway, unfortunately), they would more likely have something like a central authority that either certifies individual casters as independent and trustworthy, or sends out its own people to handle cases (or a bit of both, given that individuals can be compromised, and the fewer single points of failure the courts have, the better). Magical tampering, if not done with extreme care, could create more problems than it solves - courts do not appreciate a covert assault on their legitimacy, and the central authority probably would like to make an example of individuals who cross them.
| Fardragon |
Most of the citizens of Eox have probably never seen a living thing. Would they suddenly realise their hatred of the living upon meeting one for the first time?
That's not the case. We have already been told that Eox has some living citizens. They are probably mostly diplomats and traders from the other Pact Worlds. Eox has a full trading relationship with the Pact Worlds, and possibly beyond, so there will be places where the living and undead (and androids) mix freely in relative peace.
Also remember that mindless undead are no more "citizens" of Eox than cattle and sheep are citizens of the USA. Citizens would be mostly liches, vampires, and sentients of offworld origin.
| Torbyne |
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Umbral Reaver wrote:Most of the citizens of Eox have probably never seen a living thing. Would they suddenly realise their hatred of the living upon meeting one for the first time?That's not the case. We have already been told that Eox has some living citizens. They are probably mostly diplomats and traders from the other Pact Worlds. Eox has a full trading relationship with the Pact Worlds, and possibly beyond, so there will be places where the living and undead (and androids) mix freely in relative peace.
Also remember that mindless undead are no more "citizens" of Eox than cattle and sheep are citizens of the USA. Citizens would be mostly liches, vampires, and sentients of offworld origin.
Even before easy inter-planetary travel became a thing there was a spot on Eox known as the "Halls of the Living" which presumably had a continuous population of living Eoxians in what was likely a sealed off environment. I am curious to see how Eoxian politics turned out by the time of Starfinder but i would assume living agents would be very useful to the Bone Sages in an era of galactic politics.
China Meiville has written a few novels that take place in an industrial revolution era fantasy world (that may or may not be a massively far future setting anyways... Might have to run a Starfinder campaign out there) and there are at least two major powers that are run in whole or in part by the Undead. In one area with a vampire in charge of things every citizen has to submit to the "gore tax" which basically is like a required blood donation but everyone seems fine with it since they get otherwise corruption free governement and almost no one is willing to break the laws. In the other undead controlled reason it seemed like aspiring to a higher form of undeath was basically how social mobility happened. The living were above mindless undead and vampires (thought of as blood junkies and prevented from preying on living citizens by the far more powerful forms of undead that ruled the place) but living were otherwise below the status of immortal creatures that ran the country. I think it was basically the same logic as in Exalted, you have theses things that effectively cant die of old age, disease and are virtually indestructible by normal mortal means so even if they play by the rules they have so much more to work with that they will rise to the top of society.
As to the sort of prankish necromancer suggested in the original questions, i find it hard to bevlieve in a world where these risks exist and society has advanced this far that there arent stringent requirements for sanctifying animal corpses at the processing centers. Think of it like Kosher foods except there is demonstrable proof that evil can get in if you dont follow procedures X, Y and Z.