Weapon Focus and Claw, Claw, Bite


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Liberty's Edge

Hey everyone,

If my character can attack with two claws and one bite, does "weapon focus" cover all three natural attacks, or must I take "weapon focus: Claw" and "weapon focus: Bite" separately?

I can't find a citation that indicates that each different type of natural attack requires a separate weapon focus feat.

Please advise.
Thanks!


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Weapon focus (claw) will get you bonuses on two of your three natural attacks. That's pretty good, actually.

But you will need to take Weapon focus (bite) if you want a bonus to that attack as well.


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There isn't a specific citation that I know of that explicitly says "You have to take Weapon Focus (claw) and Weapon Focus (bite) in order to benefit from Weapon Focus on both of those natural weapons."

However... there are a lot of monster entries (from aboleth to zentragt) that include a feat Weapon Focus (X) where X is a specific natural weapon like tentacle (for aboleths) or claws (for zengtragt). So it's clear that each type of natural weapon requires its own Weapon Focus feat.

EDIT: Look at the Adult Black Dragon entry, for an example. The bite attack is at +21, the claws are at +20, and the creature only has Weapon Focus (bite).


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Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

No additional citation needed. Just read the feat.
" You gain a +1 bonus on all attack rolls you make using the selected weapon." Since Bite is a separate weapon from claws, you have to take WF a second time to get the bonus on Bite. Unambiguous language.


Silverhand wrote:

Hey everyone,

If my character can attack with two claws and one bite, does "weapon focus" cover all three natural attacks, or must I take "weapon focus: Claw" and "weapon focus: Bite" separately?

I can't find a citation that indicates that each different type of natural attack requires a separate weapon focus feat.

Please advise.
Thanks!

"weapon focus: Claw" and "weapon focus: Bite" separately.

Liberty's Edge

That's what I figured.

Now the problem gets more complex:

My player wants to take a warpriest with the Sacred Weapon choice of "natural weapon".

So, it appears my player is using the category of "natural weapon" as though it was equivalent to all natural weapons being one type of weapon.

In short: if my player's warpriest wants to make "natural weapon" his Sacred Weapon, he needs to choose either claw or bite at level 1, right?

Liberty's Edge

There are no deities with "Natural Weapons" as their divine weapon, but Apsu (LG) does get bite as their divine weapons. I think there is also an evil deity with bite as a divine weapon. If he worshiped Apsu, he could pick claws for his free Weapon Focus and he would get that sweet, sweet Warpriest damage with claws and bites.


Silverhand wrote:

That's what I figured.

Now the problem gets more complex:

My player wants to take a warpriest with the Sacred Weapon choice of "natural weapon".

So, it appears my player is using the category of "natural weapon" as though it was equivalent to all natural weapons being one type of weapon.

In short: if my player's warpriest wants to make "natural weapon" his Sacred Weapon, he needs to choose either claw or bite at level 1, right?

There are gods that have a natural weapon as their weapon: Apsu, Dahak: bite. So take one of these gods then take the free weapon focus in claws. Now the bite, claw, claw are all sacred weapons.


He can ignore his deity's favored weapon by choosing either claw or bite (one only) for his free Weapon Focus at 1st. Then he can always take Weapon Focus with the other one later. Anything you have WF with can serve as a Sacred Weapon.

Sacred Weapon wrote:
At 1st level, weapons wielded by a warpriest are charged with the power of his faith. In addition to the favored weapon of his deity, the warpriest can designate a weapon as a sacred weapon by selecting that weapon with the Weapon Focus feat; if he has multiple Weapon Focus feats, this ability applies to all of them.


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ID argue that you cannot gain a natural attack if your form doesnt have it.

Natural attacks depend on form.

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