Trappings of the Warrior panoply and feat prerequisites

[Hubbaman]

Hello,

Could the increased BAB from this panoply count as prerequisite for feats?
The feats would of course only be usable when I have the appropriate BAB, just wondering if it could/would be allowed.

From the core rule book:

Prerequisites
Some feats have prerequisites. Your character must have the indicated ability score, class feature, feat, skill, base attack bonus, or other quality designated in order to select or use that feat. A character can gain a feat at the same level at which he gains the prerequisite.

A character can't use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but he does not lose the feat itself. If, at a later time, he regains the lost prerequisite, he immediately regains full use of the feat that prerequisite enables.

Guess it comes down to if you count as having the higher BAB or not when you level up.

[SlimGauge]

What source is "Trappings of the Warrior panoply" from ?

[Gisher]

SlimGauge wrote:

What source is "Trappings of the Warrior panoply" from ?

It's from Psychic Anthology.

[QuidEst]

That one's going to be at your GM's discretion as far as I know.

There's something of a rule of thumb that you have to be able to maintain it for 24 hours to be able to qualify (based mostly on the ability score increase items, I think), and you can do that, so I'd recommend allowing it. Taking those feats is still a little risky, though, because any time you're not holding your sword and shield, you lose access to that feat.

If your GM doesn't allow it, then you can still get combat feats using the panoply's base focus power during combat.

[SillyString]

QuidEst wrote:

There's something of a rule of thumb that you have to be able to maintain it for 24 hours to be able to qualify (based mostly on the ability score increase items, I think), and you can do that, so I'd recommend allowing it. Taking those feats is still a little risky, though, because any time you're not holding your sword and shield, you lose access to that feat.

Yeah, its a little grey as to whether or not if you have it up for 24hours it would function as attributes do. In regard to actually having to wield the items to get the resonant power, that's also a little fuzzy. (You may just need to have them with you, though that isnt clear until we establish what the intent of the wording was).

If it does function as attributes do, then you can probably qualify for feats with the increase (just pray nobody disarms/steals the items from you or you'd lose access to the feats). But seeing as temporary BAB increases arent exactly common, I wouldn't expect there to be any established rules specifically for BAB either way.

PS, more FAQ clicks on that link would help clarify the matter, given how often over the last week this has come up, it will make things much easier to know what their intent was and how to rule it.

[Hubbaman]

Okay, I guessed as much. I'm sure it's fine with for my GM, so was mostly curious from an academical side of it.

The hold or not question is not as issue for the Warrior one, as the base power only work with the Sword you have chosen.

For the other panoplies, well, they work as implement schools, so as far as I know you don't need the items to be present to use base passive base powers and there is nothing under Focus powers saying the implements needs to be present to use them. (as far as I can see)

[SillyString]

Hubbaman wrote:

Okay, I guessed as much. I'm sure it's fine with for my GM, so was mostly curious from an academical side of it.

Heh, no worries, that's why I ask the vast majority of my questions.

Hubbaman wrote:

The hold or not question is not as issue for the Warrior one, as the base power only work with the Sword you have chosen.

Actually it is still relevant for the warrior panoply, in the sense that depending on the ruling, you could use a two-handed weapon as part of the panoply, and then use a buckler or just carry a light/heavy shield around with you without wielding it. (the easy example of that is having it strapped to your back for you to draw anytime you wish to cast an abjuration spell, so it would be worth understanding the intent behind the wording, even for this panoply.)

[Hubbaman]

Read the whole chapter again, and understand what you mean with the "held" confusion.

Under the Resonant Power part they use the word bearer instead, so specific over general?

Text from the book:
"Resonant Power: Each time the occultist invests mental focus into all of the associated implements of a panoply, the panoply grants the following resonant power. The panoply’s bearer gains the benefts of this power until the occultist refreshes his focus"

(hope it is okay to quote it)

[SillyString]

Hubbaman wrote:

Read the whole chapter again, and understand what you mean with the "held" confusion.

Under the Resonant Power part they use the word bearer instead, so specific over general?

Text from the book:
"Resonant Power: Each time the occultist invests mental focus into all of the associated implements of a panoply, the panoply grants the following resonant power. The panoply’s bearer gains the benefts of this power until the occultist refreshes his focus"

(hope it is okay to quote it)

That sentence is for if the occultist gives all of the associated implements to a different party member, they would become the bearers and gain the benefits. It doesnt relate to what slots (if any) the panoply's implements must occupy, and therefore is separate to the "hold" wording issue :)