Spellcrash

[downlobot]

I'd like to make sure I have this right, apologies if it's dirt simple:

If I cast spellcrash on a target and overcome the target's spell resistance, they immediately lose one spell of their choice of 5th level (or lower if they have no 5th spells, no save). On their turn, at the start of their turn they lose a second spell (no save). Then, at the end of their turn they can make a will save to end the effects. If they fail the save, they will lose another spell at the start of their next turn, and can make a new save at the end of that turn. And so on until they make their save or the spell runs its course.

Is this correct, or did I miss something? Thanks in advance!

[downlobot]

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[dragonhunterq]

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"it must choose one of its prepared 3rd-level spells, which is immediately lost; ... each round at the start of its turn."

It doesn't have any immediate effect. The target only chooses and loses a spell at the start of their turn, with a save at the end of their turn.

[Create Mr. Pitt]

I think you're reading it right. Regular spellcrash removes a 5th level spell immediately and then permits a save each round to stop the effect or it continues until the target makes a save.

[Stephen Ede]

I had this come up and so went looking for information on it and came across this.

I'm not clear on whether Mr Pitt was agreeing with the OP or DragonhunterQ so I'm going to make my input.

The critical sentence is here -
" If the target prepares spells, it must choose one of its prepared 3rd-level spells, which is immediately lost; if the target has no 3rd-level spells prepared, it must lose a 2nd-level spell it has prepared (progressing down to 1st-level spell if it has no 2nd-level spells prepared) each round at the start of its turn."

It's one sentence broken into 2 clauses by a semicolon.
a) If the target prepares spells, it must choose one of its prepared 3rd-level spells, which is immediately lost;

b) if the target has no 3rd-level spells prepared, it must lose a 2nd-level spell it has prepared (progressing down to 1st-level spell if it has no 2nd-level spells prepared) each round at the start of its turn.

By strict RAW I think you lose a spell immediately then the English gets murkier but probably you lose a spell at the start of each subsequent turn.

The problem is that the last phrase -
"each round at the start of its turn." -
is very unclear in that location of the sentence but should be connected to what's after the semicolon rather than before.

I think it was supposed to say-
" If the target prepares spells, each round at the start of its turn it must choose one of its prepared 3rd-level spells, which is immediately lost; if the target has no 3rd-level spells prepared, it must lose a 2nd-level spell it has prepared (progressing down to 1st-level spell if it has no 2nd-level spells prepared)."

But it doesn't say that.

[avr]

Lesser Spellcrash, a 4th level spell, functions as Steve says I think. Spellcrash, a 6th level spell, loses a 5th level spell (or lower if none is prepared/unused slot available) immediately and each round thereafter, subject to Will saves.

[Stephen Ede]

avr wrote:

Lesser Spellcrash, a 4th level spell, functions as Steve says I think. Spellcrash, a 6th level spell, loses a 5th level spell (or lower if none is prepared/unused slot available) immediately and each round thereafter, subject to Will saves.

But both Spellcrash and Lesser Spellcrash use exactly the same wording except for the level of the spell don't they?

[Stephen Ede]

I've found the problem.
I was using the OGL site and they had added the errata incorrectedly.

It should say -
"You create a discordant blast of energy that disrupts the target's available magic each round at the start of its turn.

If the target prepares spells, it must choose one of its prepared 3rd-level spells, which is immediately lost; if the target has no 3rd-level spells prepared, it must lose a 2nd-level spell it has prepared (progressing down to a 1st-level spell if it has no 2nd-level spells prepared)."

That makes a lot more sense.

It does still leave one other question I just noticed.

"Any spell or spell slot lost because of this spell is treated as if the caster had failed a concentration check while trying to cast it—the spell or the spell slot is wasted and has no effect, but is recovered normally the next time the character prepares spells or regains spell slots."

When you lose a spell due to a failed concentration check then not only do you lose the spell but that's your casting for the round gone (unless you cast a quickened spell).

So does losing a spell to spell crash stop you casting a non-quickened spell that round?

[avr]

Stephen Ede wrote:

avr wrote:

Lesser Spellcrash, a 4th level spell, functions as Steve says I think. Spellcrash, a 6th level spell, loses a 5th level spell (or lower if none is prepared/unused slot available) immediately and each round thereafter, subject to Will saves.

But both Spellcrash and Lesser Spellcrash use exactly the same wording except for the level of the spell don't they?

Yes, just making sure that the spell level wasn't being confused there.