Two-weapon fighting, spinning lance and weapon finesse?

[Anger Nogar]

I am trying to build a dragoon fighter who two-weapon fights with a lance using it's lvl 7 feature with Trained Grace for a solid bonus to damage rolls. The problem is that in order to pick Trained Grace I have to get Fighter's Finesse first and that delays Warrior's Spirit and Armed Bravery to lvls 15 and 20 respectively which is 5 lvls later than I would like for both of them.

The other problem is that I am not even sure if Spinning Lance allows me to two-weapon fight with it or it just gives a way to attack adjacent targets.

Is there some other way that does not include multiclass for a dragoon fighter to wiled a lance with Weapon Finesse and can he even use spinning lance for two-weapon fighting?

[avr]

Spinning lance looks to be referring to using the pointy end with reach and the blunt end without. It says nothing about TWF and doesn't look to get the bonuses or penalties thereof.

I think what you're after is the spear dancing style feat line. SD Style, SD Spiral, SD Reach. The first makes a spear or polearm a double weapon, the second gives you Weapon Finesse with it (allowing you to not get Fighter's Finesse), the last lets you use reach with both ends if you're so inclined (using it as a double weapon normally removes the reach property.)

[Anger Nogar]

Hmm, that will work perfectly then. Thanks a lot!

[BadBird]

It's also interesting that SDSpiral means you can use the weapon with Flurry of Blows or Brawler's Flurry, which basically upgrades from TWF to something better.

[Backlash3906]

Something else to consider with Spinning Lance is the access to Bludgeoner and Cudgeler Style, allowing you to increase your mounted damage with a lance by another step.

Taking advantage of Weapon Style Mastery would also allow you to stack Cudgeler with Spear Dancer.

[Anger Nogar]

Well, I'd rather not focus on mounted combat too much since at least on my gametable I find it too unreliable option that is overkill most of the time and inaccessible when you really need it.

I was planning a build that looks something like this (we use Path of War feats and maneuvers, but not Path of War classes and Battle Dragon's Stance is everything a dual wielder can dream for (besides pounce):

1: [Mounted Combat] [Skill Focus: Ride] [Weapon Focus: Lance] [Weapon Finesse]
2: [Two-Weapon Fighting], Bravery +1
3: [Spear Dancing Style], Armor Training I
4: [Martial Training I]
5: [Advanced Weapon Training: Warrior's Spirit], Spear Training +1/+2
6: [Martial Training II], Bravery +2
7: [Martial Training III], Spinning Lance
8: [Power Attack]
9. [Spear Dancing Spiral], Spear Training +2/+4, Banner +1
10.[Advanced Weapon Training: Trained Grace], Bravery +3
11.[Improved Two-Weapon Fighting], Piercing Lance
12.[Combat Reflexes]
13.[Cut from the Air], Spear Training +3/+6
14.[Smash from the Air], Bravery +4, Banner +2
15.[Advanced Weapon Training: Armed Bravery], Leaping Lance

[Ridiculon]

BadBird wrote:

It's also interesting that SDSpiral means you can use the weapon with Flurry of Blows or Brawler's Flurry, which basically upgrades from TWF to something better.

How? lances and spears aren't flurry-able

[Red Metal]

Ridiculon wrote:

BadBird wrote:

It's also interesting that SDSpiral means you can use the weapon with Flurry of Blows or Brawler's Flurry, which basically upgrades from TWF to something better.

How? lances and spears aren't flurry-able

Spear Dancing Spiral lets you use any ability that works with the quarterstaff work with your chosen weapon. You can flurry with a quarterstaff, so SDS lets you flurry with a spear.

[Ridiculon]

Red Metal wrote:

Ridiculon wrote:

BadBird wrote:

It's also interesting that SDSpiral means you can use the weapon with Flurry of Blows or Brawler's Flurry, which basically upgrades from TWF to something better.

How? lances and spears aren't flurry-able

Spear Dancing Spiral lets you use any ability that works with the quarterstaff work with your chosen weapon. You can flurry with a quarterstaff, so SDS lets you flurry with a spear.

oh nice, missed it