Cavalier and other classes, horse alternatives


Advice


I'm playing as a new DM for a group and our cavalier wants something other than a horse to start with, and they're not going with beast rider. Could I get suggestions for what be good alternate mounts? He's a medium sized character and does not want to play a smaller race, but he's willing to swap to one of the same size. I'm open to non-core content, since I'm too brave for my own good. The 'theme' of the adventure is rather open, since we're more focused on having fun then sticking with that, I just want this to be "Fair".


He doesn't want a horse... so what does he want?

Just a 'not a horse'? Is this a flavor thing? Or does he want something that is more useful than a horse?

If it is flavor, then go freakin' wild. Put whatever scales or feathers he wants. Even if you don't reflavor, then maybe give him an axe beak for chocobo action (I don't view axe beaks as too mcuh of a problem).

If he wants something mechanical..that is more troubling. Particularly if he wants to start with this stuff. Most of the options I know of start at level 4 or 7.


Camel.


lemeres wrote:

He doesn't want a horse... so what does he want?

Just a 'not a horse'? Is this a flavor thing? Or does he want something that is more useful than a horse?

If it is flavor, then go freakin' wild. Put whatever scales or feathers he wants. Even if you don't reflavor, then maybe give him an axe beak for chocobo action (I don't view axe beaks as too mcuh of a problem).

If he wants something mechanical..that is more troubling. Particularly if he wants to start with this stuff. Most of the options I know of start at level 4 or 7.

Yeah, I'd say what he wants is the big question. Non-core and 3pp have some decent alternatives to the horse if he wants something that's not a horse, but still fills more-or-less the same role and is at the same power level.

If he's looking for more of a mechanical jump in power like something that can fly and/or pounce, tell him to suck it up and play the beast rider, or go for one of the feats that expands your mount options.


A camel?

Grand Lodge

1 person marked this as a favorite.

Tell him to play a Ghost Rider cavalier. He gets a Phantasmal Horse he can summon at will. screw trotting into a dungeon on a normal horse.


The Monstrous Mount feat is basically designed for what you're talking about. Your mount or similar can be a griffon or other similar choice with that feat (and possibly the successor, Monstrous Mount Mastery.)

Monstrous Companion is a similar feat, more customizable but weaker unless you do some serious min-maxing.

Those are Paizo-created. I'm less familiar with what's been done in 3rd party outside a couple of publishers which I don't think have touched the cavalier.


Selvaxri wrote:
Tell him to play a Ghost Rider cavalier. He gets a Phantasmal Horse he can summon at will. screw trotting into a dungeon on a normal horse.

I second this. The cool points you get for having a phantasmal mount you can summon at will outweighs any of the drawbacks of that archetype.


He's not so crazy he's running after a griffon or a construct horse, just something that he could start with that's different then a 'another horse'. The axe beak sounds promising and the 'every class suggests this' camel is too close to a horse.

As for what he 'wants' it's up in the air. He's willing to wait for the creature to 'grow up' to large size so he can ride it eventually, and he's okay with just about any theme. I'm not taking them underwater, but underground and through cities and forests. He's- of course- interested in anything that can fly, is somewhat more partial to dinosaur-like creatures, and likes anything that's weird or has a fun ability, even if it's less powerful as a fighting mount. He's torn between being a mounted-archer and a lancer. Hopefully that gives a bit more direction.

Side note: Ghost rider cavalier sounds neat as brix. What's it from?


Ghost rider's from Occult Adventures.

The exact options available via monstrous mount are griffon, hippocampus, hippogriff and worg.

Grand Lodge

How about an axebeak? They get large enough to ride upon, and they have reach, so they can fight with you if you use reach weapons. Let's face it... They're wild enough to look prehistoric, and so might give you a bit of that dinosaur feel.

Hmm


Dakumi wrote:

He's not so crazy he's running after a griffon or a construct horse, just something that he could start with that's different then a 'another horse'. The axe beak sounds promising and the 'every class suggests this' camel is too close to a horse.

As for what he 'wants' it's up in the air. He's willing to wait for the creature to 'grow up' to large size so he can ride it eventually, and he's okay with just about any theme. I'm not taking them underwater, but underground and through cities and forests. He's- of course- interested in anything that can fly, is somewhat more partial to dinosaur-like creatures, and likes anything that's weird or has a fun ability, even if it's less powerful as a fighting mount. He's torn between being a mounted-archer and a lancer. Hopefully that gives a bit more direction.

Side note: Ghost rider cavalier sounds neat as brix. What's it from?

If he wants a dinosaur mount, there is the Beast Rider Fear to open up a few dino options.


Here's an idea I've been fooling around with. Don't play a Cavalier with a mount: play a Mount with a Cavalier!

Make a Druidzilla character, and take the Leadership Feat for a Cavalier cohort. Instead of the Cavalier riding an animal-companion-mount, he rides you. You could favor a particular Animal Form or maybe a few like a Triceratops, a Quetzalcoutalus, or a Huge Shark.

Another idea.
I was just commenting on a guy's thread who was thinking about a Halfling Eldritch Guardian with a Mauler Familiar and riding it. He was thinking Flying Fox. Also, there's a Feat that would let you ride a mount that is the same size as you: Undersized Mount or something.


It's kind of a wild idea, being a druid that's ridden, but it sounds reasonably possible if you're willing to take the feat. To be fair, that's such a funny idea. Someone spends their entire life in defense and in tun with nature, then they go on a wild adventure where they... Pay someone... To ride them... Oh how civilization corrupts.

The Axe beak sounds like the best suggestion, along with the monstrous mount feats. Sadly, he's trying to avoid beast rider, he wants to keep expert trainer in case he wants to multiclass, to keep Horse Master as an option without retraining.


Scott Wilhelm wrote:

Another idea.

I was just commenting on a guy's thread who was thinking about a Halfling Eldritch Guardian with a Mauler Familiar and riding it. He was thinking Flying Fox.

Stealing for the fighter guide.


1. A red deer (a large elk)

2. At a slightly higher level, an Alce Griffon (it's wingless).
Go to d20pfsrd.com


If anything, just give him an animal companion from the ranger list at his cavalier level, it follows the same template and everything.

If you're looking for alternatives to the mount itself, there are very few. The Daring Champion has potential, but it comes with a lot of baggage like using a Dueling type style. The Castellan gets bonuses for tactical positioning and high ground. There's another one that gets a bonded gun, but you're probably not into that.

Alternatively, the samurai class which is the alternate to the cavalier has some great options, like the Yojimbo which gets armor training.


You could play a Half-Orc for the Beast Rider feat enabling elephants, pteranadons, rhinoceroses, stegosauruses, or triceratops.

Edit: Ninja'd by Chengar Qordath


These options are all great, and the half-orc and ghost rider are the most appealing. He's wanted to keep 'expert trainer' which ghost rider would lose, and he wants his cavalier class and to not play anything 'small' so fighter/familiar (while so awesome I wanna make a kobold crossbow-foxrider now) is out of question for him. He's trying to keep expert trainer.

I'll try out the idea of going with Ranger's "mounts" and the half-orc/orc feat. Otherwise I'll just cut-loose as a DM.


Selvaxri wrote:
Tell him to play a Ghost Rider cavalier. He gets a Phantasmal Horse he can summon at will. screw trotting into a dungeon on a normal horse.

It could be reflavored as a phantasmal camel :P . Actually as long as he keeps to the mechanical concept, it can be reflavored as god knows what.

Speaking of which, if you as DM are okay with it, you can reflavor the horse itself as pretty much anything as long as you keep the horse stats - it won´t make any mechanical difference. If you decide that it´s a chocobo with a "kiss the bird" apron with the same stats (apparently kicking rather than making hoof attacks), so be it. To be honest horses may be bland conceptually, but are very solid mechanically - few creatures start large and thus rideable from level 1.


Spider mounts are awesome, but I'm a big Drow fan.


How about a "Riding Gecko"? The info i copied below is whats in the book, but i believe its the Animal Companion book or something like that, but in there is a riding gecko that starts out as large. As you can see, they dont have much to offer, but its something i am using for a mount on a char that the DM was ok with instead of a horse.

) Lizard (Giant Gecko)

Source Bestiary 3 pg. 312 (Amazon)
Monster Entry Link

Starting Statistics: Size Small; Speed 30 ft.; Attack bite (1d6); Ability Scores Str 11, Dex 15, Con 12, Int 2, Wis 14, Cha 7; Special Qualities expert climber, low-light vision.

4th-Level Advancement: Size Medium; AC +2 natural armor; Attack bite (2d4); Ability Scores Str +4, Dex -2, Con +2; Special Qualities speed increase (40 ft.).

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Advice / Cavalier and other classes, horse alternatives All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.