Druid Domain and Archetype


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I've done a search and couldn't really find the answer on how these 2 elements truly interact.

I'm planning for a Druid with the Serpent Domain (Rather than choosing the animal companion). One of the Boon of this domain replaces Venom Immunity.

If I want to take an archetype for my druid, do I consider the "Serpent Domain" as a second archetype or not?

If the answer is yes, then I cannot choose an archetype that alter Nature bond, Venom Immunity or both.

If the answer is no, do I end up replacing something that may or may no longer be there in regards to venom immunitiy? I'm assuming that archetype that modify Nature Bond might prevent me from getting Serpent Domain if they force a specific Domain or a it is mandatory to choose an animal companion.

Anyone one has an idea here?


I'm not sure if there's anything official. The question comes down to, could a cleric or other class take the domain? If yes, then you don't need that class feature to take the domain. If no, then you'd need the class feature.


The first 2 granted power could be used by an Inquisitor or a Cleric as it is not tied to any existing class feature. The third power explicitly site that it replaces a druid class feature.

So probably act as an archetype in this case.


I don't know that this is an allowable Druid domain. Druids who choose a domain have to do so from the explicit list in the class, and I don't see that one on the list.


@Drahliana: it's one of the domains listed under Animal and Terrain Domains, so technically it *is* from the class's list of domains.

That said, because it specifically states that it replaces venom immunity, that means you can't use this domain for an archetype that alters or replaces venom immunity (even though it replaces it WITH venom immunity). It seems that they do act as archetypes themselves, in fact, meaning you technically can't use them with anything that alter or replaces nature bond, either. You should be free to mix archetypes that don't alter either of those, however (so you could stack menhir savant, wild whisperer, jungle druid, river druid, or swamp druid with the serpent domain).


Onyx Tanuki wrote:

@Drahliana: it's one of the domains listed under Animal and Terrain Domains, so technically it *is* from the class's list of domains.

That said, because it specifically states that it replaces venom immunity, that means you can't use this domain for an archetype that alters or replaces venom immunity (even though it replaces it WITH venom immunity). It seems that they do act as archetypes themselves, in fact, meaning you technically can't use them with anything that alter or replaces nature bond, either. You should be free to mix archetypes that don't alter either of those, however (so you could stack menhir savant, wild whisperer, jungle druid, river druid, or swamp druid with the serpent domain).

You can still pick the domain if you take such an archetype, you just lose Venom Immunity from the actual class feature. You still get full benefits from the Domain itself.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

No...

The domain alters a druid's venom immunity. As one of the special druid-only domains, you could treat it like an archetype and not let it stack with archetypes that replace or alter venom immunity (The PFS option), or you could allow archetypes that replace (but not alter) venom immunity would lose the domain's venom immunity because of the archetype. Under no interpretation should you be able to benefit from the domain's altered venom immunity and an archetype that replaces venom immunity at the same time.


Onyx Tanuki wrote:

@Drahliana: it's one of the domains listed under Animal and Terrain Domains, so technically it *is* from the class's list of domains.

That said, because it specifically states that it replaces venom immunity, that means you can't use this domain for an archetype that alters or replaces venom immunity (even though it replaces it WITH venom immunity). It seems that they do act as archetypes themselves, in fact, meaning you technically can't use them with anything that alter or replaces nature bond, either. You should be free to mix archetypes that don't alter either of those, however (so you could stack menhir savant, wild whisperer, jungle druid, river druid, or swamp druid with the serpent domain).

That's was also my reading of it. Because it alters/replaces Venom Immunity with a different 2 step form of Venom Immunity I should treat it as an archetype in regard to archetype mixing.

Now, if we want to push the question further, if I wanted to take say Green Faith Initiate, Moon caller, Nature Fang, Reincarnated Druid, Survivor Druid or World Walker...all of which alters the Venom Immunity class feature but doesn'the alter Nature Bond class feature. Would it be possible to take the Serpent Domain and gain the first 2 powers (which are class feature neutral) and only lose tge 3rd one which is tied to the class feature Venom Immunity? I'mean assuming no, that the Domain Granted Power is an all or nothing kind of a deal, but I'm trying to see all possible angles.


Andre Roy wrote:
Onyx Tanuki wrote:

@Drahliana: it's one of the domains listed under Animal and Terrain Domains, so technically it *is* from the class's list of domains.

That said, because it specifically states that it replaces venom immunity, that means you can't use this domain for an archetype that alters or replaces venom immunity (even though it replaces it WITH venom immunity). It seems that they do act as archetypes themselves, in fact, meaning you technically can't use them with anything that alter or replaces nature bond, either. You should be free to mix archetypes that don't alter either of those, however (so you could stack menhir savant, wild whisperer, jungle druid, river druid, or swamp druid with the serpent domain).

That's was also my reading of it. Because it alters/replaces Venom Immunity with a different 2 step form of Venom Immunity I should treat it as an archetype in regard to archetype mixing.

Now, if we want to push the question further, if I wanted to take say Green Faith Initiate, Moon caller, Nature Fang, Reincarnated Druid, Survivor Druid or World Walker...all of which alters the Venom Immunity class feature but doesn'the alter Nature Bond class feature. Would it be possible to take the Serpent Domain and gain the first 2 powers (which are class feature neutral) and only lose tge 3rd one which is tied to the class feature Venom Immunity? I'mean assuming no, that the Domain Granted Power is an all or nothing kind of a deal, but I'm trying to see all possible angles.

ARCHETYPES which alter the same base class feature can not be stacked. Taking a Domain IS not the same as taking an archetype.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber
Andre Roy wrote:

That's was also my reading of it. Because it alters/replaces Venom Immunity with a different 2 step form of Venom Immunity I should treat it as an archetype in regard to archetype mixing.

Now, if we want to push the question further, if I wanted to take say Green Faith Initiate, Moon caller, Nature Fang, Reincarnated Druid, Survivor Druid or World Walker...all of which alters the Venom Immunity class feature but doesn'the alter Nature Bond class feature. Would it be possible to take the Serpent Domain and gain the first 2 powers (which are class feature neutral) and only lose tge 3rd one which is tied to the class feature Venom Immunity? I'mean assuming no, that the Domain Granted Power is an all or nothing kind of a deal, but I'm trying to see all possible angles.

Yeah, you should treat it like an archetype to avoid messy interaction rules. But, I think just about every GM would let you take one of those archetypes and gain just the first two powers of the Serpent domain. The third just wouldn't apply.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
ARCHETYPES which alter the same base class feature can not be stacked. Taking a Domain IS not the same as taking an archetype.

True but which one take precedent? Is the Domain choice comes first or is the archetype choice comes first?

If I must choose the Domain first, I cannot take an archetype that alters Nature bond or Venom Immunity as they are technically both already changed.

If I must choose archetype first, then those that alters Nature Bond (usually by forcing a limited choose of Domains or make the companion mandatory) prevent me from choosing the Serpent domain. And those altering Venom Immunity prevents me to take the Serpent Domain as it makes it impossible to benefit from all 3 Granted Powers (unless you are saying that I get the first 2 powers and only lose the Granted Power that alters Venom Immunity which is no longer there).

I understand that Domain =/= Archetype, I'm just tying to figure out how they interact together and whether I must treat the Domain as an "archetype" for the purpose of combining a specific Domain to an archetype.


KingOfAnything wrote:
Andre Roy wrote:

That's was also my reading of it. Because it alters/replaces Venom Immunity with a different 2 step form of Venom Immunity I should treat it as an archetype in regard to archetype mixing.

Now, if we want to push the question further, if I wanted to take say Green Faith Initiate, Moon caller, Nature Fang, Reincarnated Druid, Survivor Druid or World Walker...all of which alters the Venom Immunity class feature but doesn'the alter Nature Bond class feature. Would it be possible to take the Serpent Domain and gain the first 2 powers (which are class feature neutral) and only lose tge 3rd one which is tied to the class feature Venom Immunity? I'mean assuming no, that the Domain Granted Power is an all or nothing kind of a deal, but I'm trying to see all possible angles.

Yeah, you should treat it like an archetype to avoid messy interaction rules. But, I think just about every GM would let you take one of those archetypes and gain just the first two powers of the Serpent domain. The third just wouldn't apply.

That's what I figured. Treading it as an "archetype" keeps it simple rule wise, but I should expect table variance depending on the GM (this is not for PFS sof I won'the worry about that).

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