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The Diabolist or Demoniac prestige classes.
I'm personally partial to Demoniac. :-)
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The Diabolist or Demoniac prestige classes.
I'm personally partial to Demoniac. :-)
I'll have to look those up
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The Diabolist or Demoniac prestige classes.
I'm personally partial to Demoniac. :-)
after reading up on both, Demoniac seems more fun and the easiest to do
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Unchained Summoner with Devil Eidolon, of course! :)
There's a GREAT example with killer pic in the Curse of the Crimson Throne Deluxe Edition NPC section! if you have it turn to p.457 -- Shadowcount Sial and Asyra -- also depicted here... I think the eidolon is the one on the right licking the blade...
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One of them is WAY too happy lol. also we aren't using the Unchained. Our DM finds them OPUnchained Summoner with Devil Eidolon, of course! :)
There's a GREAT example with killer pic in the Curse of the Crimson Throne Deluxe Edition NPC section! if you have it turn to p.457 -- Shadowcount Sial and Asyra -- also depicted here... I think the eidolon is the one on the right licking the blade...
I don't know who the happy one on the left is (I haven't read the CotCT AP yet...) I just meant the CotCT Deluxe Edition statted the Shadowcount as an Unchained Summoner.
About Unchained Summoner being OP: I thought they made the Unchained Summoner to nerf the class? what are the main differences between classic Summoner and Unchained Summoner other than the Eidolon? I *thought* they nerfed the spell list...
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BTW, the reason I recommended Unchained Summoner is based on your comment: "What I am wondering is if there are easier or more fun ways to make this rather than just a wizard/sorcerer/summoner/arcanist, if not that's fine."
I find that Unchained Summoner is a great mix: you get to have fun in melee through your Eidolon, and you're not 'just a slave to your melee' like a fighter, because the other half of you is a spellcaster (admittedly devoted mostly to buff the Eidolon, but regardless! tons of melee, PLUS spells, so tons of actual options at the table - and I'm not even counting the stuff you can do with wands, staves, scrolls etc)
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Oh, and I forgot to mention that the Devil Impostor is just BEGGING to be played for Hell's Vengeance! i.e. you're a spellcaster who conned the entire country into thinking you're binding devils, meanwhile you found a way to do it without risking dealing with actual devils... (I bet Asmodeus must be cringing at you for figuring out at loophole... ;) )
Cleric or Occultist archetype Arcanist, for standard action (and in the case of arcanist) min/level summons.
About Unchained Summoner being OP: I thought they made the Unchained Summoner to nerf the class? what are the main differences between classic Summoner and Unchained Summoner other than the Eidolon? I *thought* they nerfed the spell list...
They did, pretty hard. The USummoner is probably the level 6 caster with least early access spells.
But hey, if the DM thinks unchained is the bad version, feel free to use the original one. It is not as focused on debuffs as the right sorcerer, but can keep up with one well enough.
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I just think he doesn't 100% understand it. I like the original summoner more than unchained, because the high customization.About Unchained Summoner being OP: I thought they made the Unchained Summoner to nerf the class? what are the main differences between classic Summoner and Unchained Summoner other than the Eidolon? I *thought* they nerfed the spell list...They did, pretty hard. The USummoner is probably the level 6 caster with least early access spells.
But hey, if the DM thinks unchained is the bad version, feel free to use the original one. It is not as focused on debuffs as the right sorcerer, but can keep up with one well enough.
I played the original and back then was pretty amazed at how early they got some of the spells (I honestly thought it was broken and kinda felt like I was cheesing the game when I was bringing the character). I read the USummoner but haven't played it; I like the thematic eidolons better than the fully customizable ones (whose vagueness led to much cheese)
I like the thematic eidolons, just wish they would have more options :). And yes, the spell list was full of early access spells - and GOOD ones, to the point I would say it was about equivalent to the wizard list. It was a bit much, but I think they nerfed it a bit too hard.