Question about casting combo Create Pit / Acid Pit and Stone Shape / Any Wall

[Felthas]

A Create Pit or Acid Pit spell is cast – and the victim fails Reflex save and falls in. A Stone Shape spell is used to seal over the entrance.
Would this kill the victim, since once the pit fades, there is no space to move into?

If not Stone Shape, what about a Wall of Stone or Wall of Iron over the entrance?

[Cheburn]

Felthas wrote:

A Create Pit or Acid Pit spell is cast – and the victim fails Reflex save and falls in. A Stone Shape spell is used to seal over the entrance.

Would this kill the victim, since once the pit fades, there is no space to move into?

If not Stone Shape, what about a Wall of Stone or Wall of Iron over the entrance?

I don't have the references off the top of my head, but I thought the consensus on this combo was that the victim would come out on top of the Wall of Stone, rather than be crushed by it.

[Java Man]

I was under the impression that the opening of the pit, being the entrance to an extradimensional space, would "cut" through a wall spell, making an opening into the pit interior for tbe duration of tbe pit spell.

[bitter lily]

APG, Create Pit wrote:

Since it extends into another dimension, the pit has no weight and does not otherwise displace the original underlying material. You can create the pit in the deck of a ship as easily as in a dungeon floor or the ground of a forest. {...}

When the duration of the spell ends, creatures within the hole rise up with the bottom of the pit until they are standing on the surface over the course of a single round.

Wouldn't this be another application of the jumping-while-paralyzed FAQ? What I mean is, the devs said there to ignore the word "jumping" and pay attention to the mechanics of a Reflex save. The mechanics here say that you end up on the surface of what used to be a pit. Since you're actually coming out of an extra-D space, I'd assume you would simply end up on top of the newly Stone-Shaped or Walled normal-D square.

[Felthas]

Ah - because it's a portal to a different dimension ... "When the duration of the spell ends, creatures within the hole rise up with the bottom
of the pit until they are standing on the surface over the course of a single round."

Sort of like being ejected from a solid surface when the Passwall spell ends.

Bummer.

[The Sideromancer]

However, shouldn't suffocation apply while they're in the pit?

[Grey_Mage]

Pit spells dont last long enough to invoke suffocation as there is sufficient air in a 10x10x(10 to 50 feet) to last awhile.

[Snowlilly]

Cheburn wrote:

Felthas wrote:

A Create Pit or Acid Pit spell is cast – and the victim fails Reflex save and falls in. A Stone Shape spell is used to seal over the entrance.

Would this kill the victim, since once the pit fades, there is no space to move into?

If not Stone Shape, what about a Wall of Stone or Wall of Iron over the entrance?

I don't have the references off the top of my head, but I thought the consensus on this combo was that the victim would come out on top of the Wall of Stone, rather than be crushed by it.

This was the solution proposed by Jacobs, and the solution I would use.

There is no RAW dealing with the subject.

Don't waste your wall spell. Cloudkill is much more effective.