SUPER FAMILIAR: Would this work


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I take Eldric Heratige, choose bloodline arcane/Familiar

I then take Arcane Exploit: Familiar

Would me Familiar be level 2x-2 where my level is X (ie. Level five would be a level 8 Familiar)


nope. You only count a level once for something. So you could either have a familiar at -2 or a familiar at full level, but not combined.


For the reasoning behind that, Chess Pwn is likely thinking of this line from Familiar "Levels of different classes that are entitled to familiars stack for the purpose of determining any familiar abilities that depend on the master's level."


I figured, and even if this worked I would house rule it away in a heart beat

The catch to it is that EH Works based off of a modified Character Level (CL-2) (Character levels count as Sorcerer levels-2)
While A works off class level

It also says that it stacks with levels from other classes


Azten wrote:
"Levels of different classes that are entitled to familiars stack for the purpose of determining any familiar abilities that depend on the master's level."

Ah, but the trick here is: they're not different classes. It's the same class.

The intent of the rules is clearly not to allow "super Familiars", but the RAW does permit it in my opinion.

Scarab Sages

Chess Pwn wrote:
nope. You only count a level once for something. So you could either have a familiar at -2 or a familiar at full level, but not combined.

This is not a fact. Though, some GMs do rule this way. Thought I would clear this up.

This is how you can have ACs which are higher level than you are, which is something that has been ruled possible and for PFS was given a limit of max HD per the masters level.

Also, an over-leveled familiar is not super in almost any way. You get a bit more AC, a bit more INT and you get some of the familiar powers early. But nothing game-breaking in the slightest. Since the familiar cues off of your skills(except sage), your HD and your BAB which has nothing to do with the familiar's level.


VRMH wrote:
Azten wrote:
"Levels of different classes that are entitled to familiars stack for the purpose of determining any familiar abilities that depend on the master's level."

Ah, but the trick here is: they're not different classes. It's the same class.

The intent of the rules is clearly not to allow "super Familiars", but the RAW does permit it in my opinion.

You don't count a class twice. That's just common sense.


the only way you got a animal companion above level was oracle and their FCB treat your level as 1/2 higher for a revelation. Not by making a level count twice.

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