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So, with it's recent legality and AWESOMENESS, Harrowing is the thing I'm excited about most in PFS next week, and maybe forever.
So the new question here is; what's the best Harrower?
A divination Wizard would be good, but they don't have any archetypes to choose from.
A Witch Cartomancer could be good, with the ability to sling cards, as well as curse them with cards.
The Harrow Bloodline is pretty decent, with some cool bloodline spells, and, from what I can tell, a pretty darn good Bloodline Arcana. I also like the influx of cool Bloodline Powers. But is it the best?
Story Summoner seems cool as an archetype. It doesn't take away too many essential powers, and giving some pretty neat abilities. Story summoning is pretty neat, really. But again, are they the best?
Card Casters are okay, but they use the cards as weapons more than actual divination cards. (Of course, you can always harrow, but, it's not super necessary).
Lastly, the Inquisitor Suit Seeker is pretty cool. By allowing you to draw cards to empower judgements, that's a cool system.
So, which do YOU think is the best Harrower? Which gives the best powers, the most abilities to Harrow? Which utilizes Harrow the best? Which has the best feel?
Feel free to include a class that's not on this list, and why you think it's the best.
Thanks guys, and have fun!
I haven't played any of those but my next character will be an Harrower and I am planning to go with the Wizard Diviner route.
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druid is pretty legit.Druid? Why druid? You've peeked my curiosity now.
Either he's trolling you, or he might be referring to using Harrowed Summoning with Summon Nature's Ally.
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Either he's trolling you, or he might be referring to using Harrowed Summoning with Summon Nature's Ally.druid is pretty legit.Druid? Why druid? You've peeked my curiosity now.
OHHH... I guess so. In that mindset, though, a summoner would be much better, especially when you think about Story Summoner.
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OHHH... I guess so. In that mindset, though, a summoner would be much better, especially when you think about Story Summoner.Either he's trolling you, or he might be referring to using Harrowed Summoning with Summon Nature's Ally.druid is pretty legit.Druid? Why druid? You've peeked my curiosity now.
Well, the problem with Story Summoner is that it wouldn't work with the Harrower PrC, druid with Harrowed Summoning would work better with the Harrower PrC then a Story Summoner would.
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Well, the problem with Story Summoner is that it wouldn't work with the Harrower PrC, druid with Harrowed Summoning would work better with the Harrower PrC then a Story Summoner would.OHHH... I guess so. In that mindset, though, a summoner would be much better, especially when you think about Story Summoner.Either he's trolling you, or he might be referring to using Harrowed Summoning with Summon Nature's Ally.druid is pretty legit.Druid? Why druid? You've peeked my curiosity now.
Oh. Huh. That's interesting. I personally went with a Foresight Wizard so that I can get Divination spells pretty quickly and become a harrower
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Well, the problem with Story Summoner is that it wouldn't work with the Harrower PrC, druid with Harrowed Summoning would work better with the Harrower PrC then a Story Summoner would.OHHH... I guess so. In that mindset, though, a summoner would be much better, especially when you think about Story Summoner.Either he's trolling you, or he might be referring to using Harrowed Summoning with Summon Nature's Ally.druid is pretty legit.Druid? Why druid? You've peeked my curiosity now.Oh. Huh. That's interesting. I personally went with a Foresight Wizard so that I can get Divination spells pretty quickly and become a harrower
Well, there's no early entry into the harrower since it has skill point requirements, so there's no need to rush towards meeting the ability to cast 3 divination spells, however remember that cleric and druid have access to their whole list when deciding what they want to prepare for the day, meaning that as long as there are 3 divination spells on their class list a druid or cleric can meet the able to cast prereq.
Also, here's your 3 divination spells for druid/cleric: Detect Magic, Detect Poison, Guidance. All zeroth level spells.
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Though it makes me sad to ask this: isn't the Harrower PrC still banned in PFS play? They don't make a reappearance in the Harrow Handbook, and unless Additional Resources has made a change... Well then, I guess I'm more excited than I thought.
That being said, my Cartomancer won't have a bayou accent, but I'm going to try as hard as I can to go for the Gambit. My biggest fear: SNATCH ARROWS, which won't change much in PFS play, but would be terrible with a reoccurring villain who grabs one card and teleports away, leaving me unable to memorize spells the next morning.
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Though it makes me sad to ask this: isn't the Harrower PrC still banned in PFS play? They don't make a reappearance in the Harrow Handbook, and unless Additional Resources has made a change...
That being said, my Cartomancer won't have a bayou accent, but I'm going to try as hard as I can to go for the Gambit. My biggest fear: SNATCH ARROWS, which won't change much in PFS play, but would be terrible with a reoccurring villain who grabs one card and teleports away, leaving me unable to memorize spells the next morning.
The additional resources were changed, harrower is legal, there's a few bugs that need to be fixed the next time the additional resources are edited though.
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The additional resources were changed, harrower is legal, there's a few bugs that need to be fixed the next time the additional resources are edited though.
I had to go check right after posting! That was a surprise. Does that mean the Harrowed feat is legal again too, as long as we use a harrow deck? That part I'm less excited about, since I don't like that feat, but I'll take what I can get!
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The additional resources were changed, harrower is legal, there's a few bugs that need to be fixed the next time the additional resources are edited though.I had to go check right after posting! That was a surprise. Does that mean the Harrowed feat is legal again too, as long as we use a harrow deck? That part I'm less excited about, since I don't like that feat, but I'll take what I can get!
Yes, many of the harrowing things from previous books were allowed.
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I'm not quite sure how well it will synergize, but I'm planning to take my Kapenia Dancer Magus into Harrower. She's a trip/disarm build, not a burst shocking grasp Magus build, so by 5th level she'll pretty much be able to do what she's meant to do offensively (Wand Wielder Arcana with a Wand of True Strike, Improved Trip and Improved Disarm, and a +2 from her Magus Arcane Pool). The half BAB and d6 HPs from 6 on will hurt when it comes time to actually hit anything and not trip/disarm them.
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Yeah, I just completed my Diviner Wizard. He's in the Foresight school, he's got some pretty balanced Ability scores, etc. I'll be going into harrower asap, and Wizard seemed like the best fit for that, as they get 3rd level spells faster than anyone else that I could find.
When it gets released, I might take a dip in shaman, provided it's better optimized at the release of ACG. I think that a shaman would fit well as someone who is attuned to the spirits of their ancestors. Either that, or a dip into cartomancer witch, but I have no real want to throw cards.
Gambit's awesome, but...
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Yeah, I just completed my Diviner Wizard. He's in the Foresight school, he's got some pretty balanced Ability scores, etc. I'll be going into harrower asap, and Wizard seemed like the best fit for that, as they get 3rd level spells faster than anyone else that I could find.
When it gets released, I might take a dip in shaman, provided it's better optimized at the release of ACG. I think that a shaman would fit well as someone who is attuned to the spirits of their ancestors. Either that, or a dip into cartomancer witch, but I have no real want to throw cards.
Gambit's awesome, but...
Base Aasimar of any class get third level spells at first level, namely daylight. It counts for PrCs, but harrower still requires skill ranks, meaning the earliest you can take the first level of harrower is 6th level, Cleric, Druid, Shaman, Wizard, and Witch all have 3rd level spells at 5th level, so wizard isn't exactly faster then anyone else at entering into the harrower PrC.
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I'm not quite sure how well it will synergize, but I'm planning to take my Kapenia Dancer Magus into Harrower. She's a trip/disarm build, not a burst shocking grasp Magus build, so by 5th level she'll pretty much be able to do what she's meant to do offensively (Wand Wielder Arcana with a Wand of True Strike, Improved Trip and Improved Disarm, and a +2 from her Magus Arcane Pool). The half BAB and d6 HPs from 6 on will hurt when it comes time to actually hit anything and not trip/disarm them.
Whoops, make that starting Harrower at 8th level. I was remembering the 3 divination spells requirement, but forgot the 3rd level spells requirement.
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Base Aasimar of any class get third level spells at first level, namely daylight. It counts for PrCs, but harrower still requires skill ranks, meaning the earliest you can take the first level of harrower is 6th level, Cleric, Druid, Shaman, Wizard, and Witch all have 3rd level spells at 5th level, so wizard isn't exactly faster then anyone else at entering into the harrower PrC.Yeah, I just completed my Diviner Wizard. He's in the Foresight school, he's got some pretty balanced Ability scores, etc. I'll be going into harrower asap, and Wizard seemed like the best fit for that, as they get 3rd level spells faster than anyone else that I could find.
When it gets released, I might take a dip in shaman, provided it's better optimized at the release of ACG. I think that a shaman would fit well as someone who is attuned to the spirits of their ancestors. Either that, or a dip into cartomancer witch, but I have no real want to throw cards.
Gambit's awesome, but...
Yeah, but I really like Wizards. There large amount of spells, school system, and Arcane Discoveries are all bosstastic.