Favored Class Specifics

[Autocthon]

I have two questions, one naturally leads to the other.

1) When a favored class allows you to add something based on a list. For instance "add a spell from the Sorcerer list to your spells known" do you choose from the list available to you or from the standard class list as described.

That is if an archetype modifies *your* spell list do you add spells based on that list or do you add spells based on the standard spell list.

2) Are favored class bonuses part of a class' features? That is; would a spell derived this way implicitly be added to your spell list if you aren't using the standard one.

The primary discussion point here being derived from the Human Favored Class Arcanist + Unlettered Arcanist. The favored class bonus adds from the Arcanist spell list specifically. The unlettered archetype changes the spell list your arcanist uses.

Yes this is rules-lawyer cheese. No I can;t think of any other specific case sharing the same combination of factors, though I could probably find more.

[Quentin Coldwater]

I think that if your spell list is modified, you grab extra spells from that modified list. Not 100% on that, nor do I have a source, just a gut feeling.

Not sure where favored class falls under. I'd guess just part of your character, not necessarily dependent on the class itself.

(Also, did you know you posted this twice?)

[vhok]

You would definitely grab from your modified spell list.

Similar sort of thing to this. http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0vv?Psychic-bloodline-sorcerer-is-it-still-an

Scroll down read the official faq. Favoured class bonuses were writing and worded the way they are ages ago before a lot of this stuff came out.

[Franz Lunzer]

How about a Psychic Detective Investigator then? Can that one gain additional psychic spells known with the Favored Class bonus of the investigtor (Add one extract formula from the investigator’s formula list to the formula book. This formula must be at least 1 formula level below the highest level the investigator can create.) ?

[Quentin Coldwater]

It reads a little wonky, but I'd say he gets more Psychic spells. He simply doesn't have the Alchemy class feature anymore, so he doesn't have a formula book to write spells in. Or you can, but can't make formulae, since you're lacking that class feature.

Bottom line: if you cast from a different list, all bonus spells gained also refer to that same list, even if the wording is weird. Otherwise, the FCB doesn't do anything.

[James Risner]

More detail is needed, but I'll try to add both answers:

If you are a sorcerer, but your archetype removes all divination spells and you get a "add a spell from the Sorcerer list to your spells known" effect from favored class. Then you wouldn't be able to add divination spells.

If you are a cleric, but your archetype removes all divination spells and you get a "add a spell from the Sorcerer list to your spells known" then you would be able to add divination sorcerer spells.

This FAQ should answer the second question

Your Unlettered Arcanist question would fall into the second one, so your favored class would add spells on your witch class only.

Keep in mind, this may have table variance as there will be alternate interpretations of RAW. Fortunately the FAQ covers this example by saying you can't cast those spells not on the witch list.

[Saethori]

Sometimes an archetype invalidates certain favored class bonuses. This is nothing new. It does not mean the bonuses can be reinterpreted to fit.

In the case of the Unlettered Arcanist, the FCB asks you to add a spell from the arcanist spell list to your spellbook. You don't have a spellbook but your Familiar class feature says any effect that would put a spell into your spellbook adds it to your familiar instead, so no problem there.

However, as nothing changes that you are adding an Arcanist spell to your familiar, in order for anything you select to be usable, it must be a spell on both Arcanist and Witch spell lists.

In the case of the Psychic Detective, you have no formula book, and therefore cannot add formulas to it. Even if you had the book, you could not learn from it, so its only value is for other alchemists and investigators to learn from you.

There is no provision for turning the FCB into gaining spells known, so you don't.