CORE - Chronicle Sheet Access

[akitayne]

So I have noticed that many of the newer chronicle sheets are granting access to non-CORE prestige classes AND allowing you to retrain feats/skills so that you qualify.

So here's the question, and I'm wanting to make sure, if you play one of these scenarios in CORE, granted access to a non-CORE prestige class, and wish to retrain into that prestige class, but one of the prerequisite feats is from a non-CORE source, would it allow you to retrain those feats as well?

EXAMPLE:

One Chronicle sheet grants access to both Hellknight and Hellknight Signifier. Hellknight is a definite CORE possibility, but the Signifier can require Warrior Priest (depends on which version you are going for), which is from Ultimate Magic. The line in the text on the chronicle sheet that makes me wonder if the Signifier is possible or not: "You may also freely retrain as many feats and skill ranks as is necessary in order to qualify for the prestige class."

Am I just wishful thinking?

[pauljathome]

Unless there has been some developer comment it is not obvious to me that the chronicle sheet even allows acccess to the Non Core Prestige Class, let alone its prerequisites.

Note that there was explicit comment that made the non Core race available from one scenario a legal option in Core.

[burkoJames]

I thought the rule was if you got access to it via chronicle sheet, it gave access to both core and non-core characters.

[GreySector]

Paul Jackson wrote:

Unless there has been some developer comment it is not obvious to me that the chronicle sheet even allows acccess to the Non Core Prestige Class, let alone its prerequisites.

Note that there was explicit comment that made the non Core race available from one scenario a legal option in Core.

Comment about that race was required because race boons are explicitly prohibited in core.

For all other rules items, non-core is allowed with chronicle access, and a chronicle specifying that you can take a prestige class/archetype is chronicle access.

To address the OP's question, I don't think you would get access to any non-core items required for a prestige class that aren't specifically granted by the chronicle.

[andreww]

burkoJames wrote:

I thought the rule was if you got access to it via chronicle sheet, it gave access to both core and non-core characters.

If you play something in core you gain access to what is on the chronicle sheet.

What is not clear is if you gain access to any prerequisites. So if a chronicle opened up access to the Bloatmage prestige class would it also allow you to take the Bloatmage Initiate feat which is a pre-requisite for the class.

You would hope those sort of things might be expressly stated on the chronicle but I am getting the impression they haven't on the recent one although I haven't yet played or run it.

[akitayne]

@Eshleman - I thought so. I think it was just wishful thinking on my part, but I wanted to check. I have a couple CORE characters that could've benefitted. It never hurts to ask!

@Paul and @burkoJames - Thank you for your help!

@andreww - Yeah, that's where I was wanting the clarification... it 'could' impact characters and I'd rather make sure. Ya know, put ducks in order.

[Tempest_Knight]

burkoJames wrote:

I thought the rule was if you got access to it via chronicle sheet, it gave access to both core and non-core characters.

Access is campaign specific...

You need to earn access in CORE to have access in CORE.

If you earn access in CORE you do not also have access in Standard.

[Yiroep]

Tempest_Knight wrote:

Access is campaign specific...

You need to earn access in CORE to have access in CORE.

If you earn access in CORE you do not also have access in Standard.

What gets interesting is when you have access to a boon in CORE, use it in CORE (like an archetype) for another character, then convert the original CORE character that had the boon to Classic by playing a Classic game while the character that actually used the boon is still CORE. ;)

Boons that grant access to other characters get hairy in general when the character switches from CORE to Classic.

[Tempest_Knight]

Yiroep, I totally agree with that...

I have never really been a fan of PC A grants PC B <blank> boons...

You get the same issue with the CORE Wizards' ability to daisy-chain non-CORE spells...

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My CORE Wizard is currently spreading Corrosive Touch around after picking it up from a fellow Wizard who picked it up from someone else...

[cerhiannon]

Tempest_Knight wrote:

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My CORE Wizard is currently spreading Corrosive Touch around after picking it up from a fellow Wizard who picked it up from someone else...

It is my understanding in the CORE game of "Chronicle Sheet Access" is limited to what is expressly included by Paizo. In other words access is limited to Printed items, spells, and so on. Explicitly this means that you can't learn a spell from another PC.

[Luke_Parry]

@Cerhiannon: Actually, you can scribe non-CORE spells from other wizards.

[Tempest_Knight]

The spells only have to show up in the scenario for a Wizard to gain access.

All other spell casting classes must purchase and expend a scroll to gain access. (Citation Here)

[nightdeath]

So has this ever being addressed?

If the Chronicle sheet earned in CORE grants you access to Non Core Rewards, for example using Hellknight and/or Hell knight Signifier;

Does the player get to retrain into a feat that is Non -Core despite it being 'made' available? If no then that chronicle sheet is well redundant isn't it?

Same for if a Hell Knight gets to use Hell knight armor but because it isn't a CORE access item, can't use it? He's stuck with plain old Plate armor.

The Text from this chronicle sheet.:

Hellknights’ Respect: You set aside your initial Pathfinder mission to help the Hellknights of the Order of the Gate defeat a great force of chaos and evil. In recognition of your deeds, the Hellknights assist you in joining their ranks, or in refocusing your training if you are already a member of a Hellknight order. You may cross this boon off your Chronicle sheet to retrain levels into the Hellknight prestige class (Pathfinder Campaign Setting: The Inner Sea World Guide 278) or the Hellknight signifer prestige class (Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Paths of Prestige 28), for free so long as you would qualify for the prestige classes with the levels that you have taken in other classes.

Specifically, the levels you take before the prestige class must qualify you for the prestige class, so you could not retrain a character into a Hellknight 8 with no other class levels. You may also freely retrain as many feats and skill ranks as is necessary in order to qualify for the prestige class. If you already have one or more levels in the Hellknight or Hellknight signifer prestige class, you may cross the boon off your Chronicle sheet to freely retrain your feats, disciplines, cavalier order, and spells, but only into legal options presented in Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Path of the Hellknight.

[GreySector]

I haven't seen a general response, but Linda did answer your specific question about Orders From the Gate.

[nightdeath]

Thank you Michael for the reference.

Further enforces my opinion about that the Chronicle sheets are just a waste of time and ink since it doesn't give a reward in the end.

A shame though. Just my thoughts on this. Having an actual Hellknight in a CORE would really make things interesting even if it's just a few.