Small Tiefling ?!?

[Revolving Door Alternate]

I have a tiefling bloodrager. I was just about to take Reduce Person to help when sneaking. But iirc that won't work since I'm an outsider. Correct?

Is there any other decently inexpensive way to get small size on my tiefling?

[Artifix]

Fiendish Heritage is the only way I know how. They have this: "You are unusually short, granting you all the standard traits of a Small creature." As one of the possible abilities.

[Lordwakkawakka]

Here [url=http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-tiefling[/url]. A side bar notes that the only mechanical difference Tiefling children of non medium races is that they are their parents size. No feats or spells required. EDIT: Also, I don't understand basic formatting.

[Kalindlara]

Lordwakkawakka wrote:

Here . A side bar notes that the only mechanical difference Tiefling children of non medium races is that they are their parents size. No feats or spells required. EDIT: Also, I don't understand basic formatting.

There you go. ^_^

[Lordwakkawakka]

Kalindlara wrote:

Lordwakkawakka wrote:

Here . A side bar notes that the only mechanical difference Tiefling children of non medium races is that they are their parents size. No feats or spells required. EDIT: Also, I don't understand basic formatting.

There you go. ^_^

Thank you!

[Maezer]

Alter Self or Monstrous Physique could also do the task.

[Chess Pwn]

tiefling's have an option to count as human.

[Revolving Door Alternate]

I don't want him permanently small. He is a meat fighter. I just want him to be small the occasional times when he needs to sneak.

Pass for Human would mess with the Bite and Tail.

Alter Self isn't on the bloodrager list.

Monstrous physique is 3rd level. I suppose I could buy a scroll and just not use it very often.

[j b 200]

Yeah, one draw back of teifling is that can't benefit from enlarge/reduce person. That being said, it's a good trade off to be immune to Hold/charm person.

[illyume]

Ah darn. I was going to suggest just getting your GM to okay you being a tiefling child of a small race! Kobolds work best for this, as they do for most things.

[Arcaian]

Revolving Door Alternate wrote:

I don't want him permanently small. He is a meat fighter. I just want him to be small the occasional times when he needs to sneak.

Pass for Human would mess with the Bite and Tail.

Alter Self isn't on the bloodrager list.

Monstrous physique is 3rd level. I suppose I could buy a scroll and just not use it very often.

Don't know if the character is already built/set in stone, but an Oni-spawn tiefling can cast Alter Self 1/day - could be useful. Strength bonuses too - +STR,WIS -CHA is about perfect for a typical meat fighter :)

[David knott 242]

Chess Pwn wrote:

tiefling's have an option to count as human.

That "Pass for Human" ability should be exactly what the thread originator wants. Because the character counts as humanoid (human) as well as outsider (native), spells like Enlarge Person and Reduce Person work just fine on him. The drawback, of course, is that spells like Charm Person and Hold Person also work on him.

[zainale]

here is that
Sidebar: Non-Human Tieflings

The creatures of the depths of the Outer Planes do not limit their foul miscegenation to humanity. Elves, dwarves, halflings, and gnomes all have tales of tieflings in their histories, and those who appear among them now often suffer even greater stigma than those born to humans.

Other humanoids see tieflings in their midst as well. Many of the monstrous races of the world have demonic origins—most notably gnolls, who still thank the Mother of Monsters for their birth. Ogres, orcs, half-orcs, goblins, and other creatures that call upon the powers of the evil Outer Planes are equally likely to see tieflings living among them, but unless a given race holds to a code of racial purity, tieflings are far less likely to be shunned by such populations

It should be noted that while any monster or animal that breeds with a fiend may give birth to half-fiend offspring, only humanoids may give birth to tieflings. Thus, while it’s possible to encounter a half-fiend dragon, bear, or otyugh, any children of such creatures would be either half-fiends or normal members of their race. (And just as often, these less conventional half-fiends are simply sterile.) When discussing half-fiends and tieflings, it’s important to distinguish them from both true fiends (devils, demons, etc.) and simple fiendish creatures (creatures with the fiendish template, which are themselves denizens of the evil Outer Planes but similar in many ways to their Material Plane counterparts).

In game terms, the difference between non-human tieflings and human tieflings is purely a matter of size. Unless they have specific tiefling-related size modifiers, the tieflings of each of these races are the same size as their non-fiendish ancestors. They gain any of the bonuses or penalties related to that size, but gain no racial bonuses except those of the tiefling; beyond size, their humanoid ancestry is purely cosmetic.

[The Guy With A Face]

Guys, the OP already stated he can't use Pass for Human and doesn't want to be permanently small.

Revolving Door Alternate wrote:

I don't want him permanently small. He is a meat fighter. I just want him to be small the occasional times when he needs to sneak.

Revolving Door Alternate wrote:

Pass for Human would mess with the Bite and Tail.