| Chess Pwn |
In the book it says that only the talents in the listed books were limited and that all the splat book support should work on the Urogue. PFS said only the explicitly listed talents work. So really only in PFS are the rogue's talents limited. In a normal game fallowing the text in Uchained the Urogue can use all talents not found in the books listed. And the talents removed in those listed books aren't as needed with the new mechanics of Urogue.
| Chess Pwn |
In PFS those work. But in older books it doesn't say that. And only the Core line was reviewed and mentioned that those talents not listed aren't able to be used. But talents from other books should have been fine to use with Urogue.
So in PFS it needs to have the line "Urogue can use" but it seems like the Urogue originally should have been able to use all rogue talents not in the core books.
| Berinor |
In some cases they took away a talent because it was incorporated into the core class features or combined with another talent. For example, the idea of offensive defense was incorporated into the debilitating attack ability.
| Cellion |
If I had to speculate why Paizo omitted so many rogue talents from URogue, I would say its a combination of:
- Some talents were obsoleted by the new additions to URogue, such as Debilitating Injury. This includes Befuddling Strike for example.
- Some talents were from obscure sources, including campaign settings and player's companions. There are probably more than 40 that fall into this category and most are extremely weak.
- Some new talents were added that combine multiple past talents into one. The new talent "Certainty" replaced the APG talents "Charmer" and "Fast Fingers" for example. The functionality was streamlined and made slightly better, so the old talents weren't needed any more.
- The rogue talent list was just getting too bloated. At my last count, there are 139 total rogue talents (not including advanced talents) available to the core rogue. This was an opportunity to trim the chaff.
There are (by my count) 62 core rogue only talents, of which only a small number are big losses: Bomber, Bomber's Discovery, Ki Pool, and Sacrifice Self (if you have improved evasion).