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Fighter Training says magus counts as having fighter levels for feat acquisition. The question I have is, does the magus also count as having fighter levels for resolving how those feats function. This was an irrelevant question prior to the Armor Mastery guide, but becomes relevant with the introduction of feats that scale according to fighter level.
In the more general, with the purpose of clarifying how newly introduced rules mechanics interact with preexisting class features not specifically addressed in the newly introduced mechanics.
If a class ability states a character counts as another class of level X for purposes of meeting feat prerequisites, does the character also count as level X for purposes of determining the effects of those feats.
hmm, i would assume that yes it does also count but faq'd all the same
Maybe it should, but as the ability is written it explicitly only applies to "qualifying for feats" and nothing else.
This isn't so much an FAQ request as it is a request for additional functionality.
nope.
More like an attempt to address an apparent disparity between RAW and RAI.
Problems like this often arise when new mechanics are added. Sometimes they get address, sometimes they don't.
Mark Seifter has said before that "treat your X level as your Y level for purpose A does not give you a Y level for purposes other than A. Feat prerequisites are their own purpose (several classes do treat their levels as some function of fighter levels for that purpose, like magus and warpriest)."
So I'd say magus fighter training is just for feat prerequisites and doesn't help with effects that are actually dependent on fighter's levels.
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Fighter Training says magus counts as having fighter levels for feat acquisition. The question I have is, does the magus also count as having fighter levels for resolving how those feats function. This was an irrelevant question prior to the Armor Mastery guide, but becomes relevant with the introduction of feats that scale according to fighter level.
In the more general, with the purpose of clarifying how newly introduced rules mechanics interact with preexisting class features not specifically addressed in the newly introduced mechanics.
If a class ability states a character counts as another class of level X for purposes of meeting feat prerequisites, does the character also count as level X for purposes of determining the effects of those feats.
From Armor Master's handbook.
Armor mastery feats are a new type of feat that require armor training as a prerequisite. They count as combat feats for all purposes, including which classes can select them as bonus feats. You gain the benefits of an armor mastery feat only while wearing armor with which you are proficient and only while wearing a type of armor that matches the feat’s armor proficiency feat prerequisite, if any. Armor mastery feats without armor proficiency prerequisites can be used while wearing any suit of armor. Characters who lack the armor training class feature can access armor mastery feats by taking the Armor Focus feat, presented below.
That say no.
On the other hand I don't recall a Paizo product called "Armor Mastery guide", so maybe I am missing something.
Checking the feats in the Armor Master's handbook I don't see any feat that has an effect that change based on the fighter level of a character. Can you link, or paste an example?
Fighter Training says magus counts as having fighter levels for feat acquisition. The question I have is, does the magus also count as having fighter levels for resolving how those feats function.
No. It only provides what it says it provides.
Fighter Training (Ex): Starting at 10th level, a magus counts 1/2 his total magus level as his fighter level for the purpose of qualifying for feats. If he has levels in fighter, these levels stack.
Even the modified versions for the Myridarch and Kenasi have the same language limiting the effective fighter levels to qualifying for feats.
Fighter Training (Ex): Starting at 7th level, a kensai counts his magus level –3 as his fighter level for the purpose of qualifying for feats (if he has levels in fighter, these levels stack), but forfeits the benefit of such feats with weapons other than his favored weapon. This ability replaces knowledge pool.
Fighter Training (Ex): At 7th level, a myrmidarch counts his magus level –3 as his fighter level for the purpose of qualifying for feats (if he has levels in fighter, these levels stack). At 10th level, the myrmidarch treats his magus levels as fighter levels for the purposes of fighter training. This ability replaces both knowledge pool and the fighter training the magus gains at 10th level.
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This was an irrelevant question prior to the Armor Mastery guide, but becomes relevant with the introduction of feats that scale according to fighter level.
I'm going to assume that you mean the Armor Master's Handbook. If so then this actually became an issue earlier when the Weapon Master's Handbook was released. I really, really wish my Myrmidarch could get use out of the Focused Weapon Advanced Weapon Training option.
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In the more general, with the purpose of clarifying how newly introduced rules mechanics interact with preexisting class features not specifically addressed in the newly introduced mechanics.
If a class ability states a character counts as another class of level X for purposes of meeting feat prerequisites, does the character also count as level X for purposes of determining the effects of those feats.
As Protoman said, I think we already have the answer to that.