Archer using the new Fighter Advanced Weapon Training


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With the new Advanced Weapon Training that was added in the Weapon Master's Handbook, a vanilla fighter is now my new favorite for building and Archer. The Focused Weapon (Ex) applied to a composite longbow at level 9 now makes them better than the Zen Archer, in my opinion.

Applying some of the ranged style feats on top certainly don't hurt either.


I mean... maybe at very high levels, Focused weapon would be worthwhile. But the nature of the ability means you won't even see gains until 10th level. You won't see gains better than weapon specialization until literally 20th level. Even then, I'd probably trade it off for save or initiative as an archer. Focused weapon is actually stupid weak.


unless you are dagger or UA. Then it's actually pretty worthwhile. i.e. it's a great ability for people with starting inferior weapons. For people with larger weapon...meh.


Eh. Zen Archer still gets bow flurry and Wis to attack.


You are better off improving your will save and giving yourself some more skills.

Shield bonus can be nice too.


Gloves of Dueling make most Advanced Weapon Training options way better.

I suggest looking into the new releases Magic Tactics Toolbox and Inner Sea Intrigue for some options. Specifically there is a fighter Advanced Weapon Training which grants an ability similar to Divine Bond or Arcane Pool with regards to enhancing your weapon, with the only limitations on your weapon ability suggestions being that you can only add one ability, and that must be an ability with an associated +value. Inner Sea Intrigue has one that lets you gain any combat feat.

That alone opens up a lot of doors.

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master_marshmallow wrote:
Inner Sea Intrigue has one that lets you gain any combat feat.

Never heard of that one. Do elaborate.


lemeres wrote:
You are better off improving your will save and giving yourself some more skills.

There are advanced weapon trainings that do this. Armed Bravery(bravery bonus added to all Will saves) and Versatile Training(use BaB as your ranks in two out of four skills).


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Training Enhancement, +1 bonus. Gain any combat feat. Must satisfy all pre-reqs to use it, however.

USe your weapon bond AWT to grant Training to your Weapon, then have the combat feat be Advanced Weapon Training, and grab any weapon training feat on demand. Or any other combat feat, really.

HOWEVER...you should probably abide by the Paragon Surge limit of 1 feat/day, AND you have to satisfy all pre-reqs, which means abiding by the maximum number of AWT feats you can have (1 at 5th, 2 at 9th, etc).

So, you'd have to give up having one AWT 'constantly' so you could pick one to have 'situationally'.

And only for a minute at a time, the duration of the weapon bond effect.

The real value of the Weapon Bond effect is that it is 'unrestricted' in the enhancements you can get. So, you can grab Bane X on demand, the single most powerful +1 effect you can take.

If you take the Weapon Bond at 5th level, you probably want Abundant Tactics at 9th, which increases the # of times/day you can use the thing. Also works with Item Mastery feats, and Armor training feats.

So, the Training thing is a nice trick, it's just hard to use unless you're a Weapon Master and can take multiple AWT feats quickly.


Azten wrote:
lemeres wrote:
You are better off improving your will save and giving yourself some more skills.
There are advanced weapon trainings that do this. Armed Bravery(bravery bonus added to all Will saves) and Versatile Training(use BaB as your ranks in two out of four skills).

But slooooooow. AWT feats should just be bonus feats fighters can take. The 1 at 5th, 2nd at 9th schtick is just ridiculous.


The prerequisite from Paragon Surge means you can only gain the same benefit from a feat once.

To elaborate, Paragon Surge was used to gain Greater Eldritch Heritage (Arcane) to gain any two sorcerer/wizard spells known. Since the feat was what granted you that ability, you were prevented from using the feat to gain different spells known for the rest of the day. This combo was used by Oracles to have all the spells.

The Training quality has different wording and is added tangentially. One would call this a loophole for now.

I expect a future clarification to match the Paragon Surge treatment.


Azten wrote:
lemeres wrote:
You are better off improving your will save and giving yourself some more skills.
There are advanced weapon trainings that do this. Armed Bravery(bravery bonus added to all Will saves) and Versatile Training(use BaB as your ranks in two out of four skills).

Yes, thus why I mentioned those two areas. They are pretty much the prime "take care of fighter disadvantages" areas.

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