I am in a psion campaign, and picked up the ability psychic reformation.
I am in the process of building an army in the campaign and was looking into ways to provide for healing and I want to confirm my theory.
If 2 Oracles were to to pick lifelink, and both were to lifelink to eachother, and they both had the fast healer feat, it looks as though they could provide infinite healing to eachother.
Which in turn means they could provide infinite healing for others as well.
Is this assertion correct?
No, as the oracle isn't taking damage, he's replenishing the life force of his comrades. both oracles would take damage as normal but their colleges would get double the benefit.
That's how I'd rule because no way would I ever permit any form of infinite healing.. even if a corner use of RAW would indicate otherwise.
Of course it goes without saying that if you're GMing you can do whatever you want... but think really hard before breaking this essential principle.
Nothing says the damage the oracles take can't be healed, in fact the whole purpose is to allow the oracle to take on the damage to others so that the damage is much easier to take care of.
Raw, this is pretty cut and dry.
It isn't pleasant, or even particularly quick, so though the healing is limitless, a simple planar binding of a ghaele azata would be far more efficient time wise.
Infinite healing already exists in the form of creatures able to infinitely cast cure light unlimited.
Yep, that's an impressive combo.
It isn't quick, but it works to bring everyone in the party back to near-full after every fight.
Calthropstu wrote: Nothing says the damage the oracles take can't be healed, in fact the whole purpose is to allow the oracle to take on the damage to others so that the damage is much easier to take care of.
Raw, this is pretty cut and dry.
It isn't pleasant, or even particularly quick, so though the healing is limitless, a simple planar binding of a ghaele azata would be far more efficient time wise.
Infinite healing already exists in the form of creatures able to infinitely cast cure light unlimited.
Name them... AFAIK, no such creatures exist.
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote: Calthropstu wrote: Nothing says the damage the oracles take can't be healed, in fact the whole purpose is to allow the oracle to take on the damage to others so that the damage is much easier to take care of.
Raw, this is pretty cut and dry.
It isn't pleasant, or even particularly quick, so though the healing is limitless, a simple planar binding of a ghaele azata would be far more efficient time wise.
Infinite healing already exists in the form of creatures able to infinitely cast cure light unlimited.
Name them... AFAIK, no such creatures exist. Ghaele azata
There is also an aeon forget the name.
Star archon too I think, but too powerful for binding.
There was also a kami that could do it, but can't be bound from material plane.
Only the ghaele azata and the aeon can be bound for infinite healing.
Calthropstu wrote: Drahliana Moonrunner wrote: Calthropstu wrote: Nothing says the damage the oracles take can't be healed, in fact the whole purpose is to allow the oracle to take on the damage to others so that the damage is much easier to take care of.
Raw, this is pretty cut and dry.
It isn't pleasant, or even particularly quick, so though the healing is limitless, a simple planar binding of a ghaele azata would be far more efficient time wise.
Infinite healing already exists in the form of creatures able to infinitely cast cure light unlimited.
Name them... AFAIK, no such creatures exist. Ghaele azata
There is also an aeon forget the name.
Star archon too I think, but too powerful for binding.
There was also a kami that could do it, but can't be bound from material plane.
Only the ghaele azata and the aeon can be bound for infinite healing. Binding outsiders is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. Binding outsiders that powerful for extended periods is expensive... and not just in terms of gold pieces.
True, which is why I was looking into alternatives. Of course, when your goal coincides with the intentions of a major deity, those repurcussions are often mitigated.
Still, I saw that combo and wanted to get gm's and players reactions to it.
PFS, which uses RAW as law, this would be clear cut. The wording is about as cut and dry as it comes.
But I can see many GMs saying "infinite healing at 3rd level? Hell no."
it required 3 feats, so that would require 2 characters to devote everything to it for very slow infinite healing at level 3. i don't see it being that big of an issue
Calthropstu wrote: True, which is why I was looking into alternatives. Of course, when your goal coincides with the intentions of a major deity, those repurcussions are often mitigated.
Still, I saw that combo and wanted to get gm's and players reactions to it.
PFS, which uses RAW as law, this would be clear cut. The wording is about as cut and dry as it comes.
But I can see many GMs saying "infinite healing at 3rd level? Hell no."
Actually even PFS makes alterations to RAW, when needed for campaign purposes.
No one in PFS is going to be binding outsiders on an extended basis...and finding two players willing to play life oracles with the asaimar nerfs is going to be a challenge.
Thanks evilmonk.
Yes, that was the kami I remember.
The aeon was the Akhana, who gets infinite cure serious, not light.
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
No one in PFS is going to be binding outsiders on an extended basis...and finding two players willing to play life oracles with the asaimar nerfs is going to be a challenge.
In order to get this working at a reasonable level (3) you would need to be human or multiclass something that gets a bonus feat anyways. Otherwise you don't get this until level 5, which is a long time to wait before your build does anything in PFS
PFS doesn't allow the psionics unleashed material.
This is also for npcs, not pcs. The power I have, psychic reformation, allows me to have people repurpose themselves, reselecting feats, spells, powers, ability score bonuses etc.
Only their class levels cannot be changed.
It is a powerful utility which would allow me to repurpose life oracles to this particular setting, then change them back after the battle.
theevilmonk wrote: Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
No one in PFS is going to be binding outsiders on an extended basis...and finding two players willing to play life oracles with the asaimar nerfs is going to be a challenge.
In order to get this working at a reasonable level (3) you would need to be human or multiclass something that gets a bonus feat anyways. Otherwise you don't get this until level 5, which is a long time to wait before your build does anything in PFS Or multiclass into oracle.
Just saying...
Ok, so two players can spend 3 feats and a one level dip in oracle to gain what amounts to fast healing 1 (or perhaps 2).
May I suggest just taking a one level dip in Verminous Hunter instead? Because, as we all know, their unlimited healing is so broken that everyone does it...
Or just get Boots of the Earth instead...
Byakko wrote: Ok, so two players can spend 3 feats and a one level dip in oracle to gain what amounts to fast healing 1 (or perhaps 2).
May I suggest just taking a one level dip in Verminous Hunter instead? Because, as we all know, their unlimited healing is so broken that everyone does it...
It allows them to provide infinite healing to anyone without expending resources, and has zero monetary cost.
However, I did just look up boots of the earth and well... 1 oracle with these boots would amount to the same thing.
If they had the feats as well, with a high con and a belt of con +4, they could effectively grant fast healing 5 to anyone as a full round action, without ever taking damage themselves.
For an army, that would be an insane boon.
Thanks for the tip... though I don't know if my gm will allow those boots, since it's a golarion specific item and we are in the forgotten realms.
Byakko wrote: Ok, so two players can spend 3 feats and a one level dip in oracle to gain what amounts to fast healing 1 (or perhaps 2).
May I suggest just taking a one level dip in Verminous Hunter instead? Because, as we all know, their unlimited healing is so broken that everyone does it...
The Verminous fast healing was errated away a while back.
Boots of the Earth aren't foolproof. They take an action to activate. And adventurers may go places where they won't work. In a building. On a ship, etc.
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