Hex Channeler...

[Apple Fetish]

So...would a Witch (Hex Channeler) be able to use Versatile Channeler? How would the "...as a Cleric 2 level lower..." play out? ...and if it would work, would that allow for leveling into the prestige class Envoy of Balance and subsequent use of Twinned Channeling as a non-cleric?

Thanks in advance for any help.

[Cavall]

The channel works as a cleric. Says so in the ability.

However, that feat needs you to actually BE a cleric or a necromancer.

[Apple Fetish]

Cavall wrote:

The channel works as a cleric. Says so in the ability.

However, that feat needs you to actually BE a cleric or a necromancer.

Ok...that's what I was wondering. The feat description does however have "...characters who have the channel energy class ability and have to make a choice to channel positive or negative energy at 1st level." in the full description and nothing referencing Cleric only in the Feat Summary table in the book, also, in what book is the class/archtype/prestige class Necromancer?

HeroLab seemed to think the prereqs were met, and let me make the build, but it seems to have let me make "illegal" combinations more than a few times.

[Apple Fetish]

...oh, and the ability reading "...as a cleric" doesn't answer how "...as a cleric 2 levels lower" would affect a Hex Channeler as they are given extra dice for their channel by Hex choice, not gaining them through levels.

[Treefolk]

You cannot take versatile channeler on a Hex Channeler because that character fails to meet the prereqs for the feat.

Quote:

Prerequisites: Channel energy class feature, necromancer or neutrally aligned cleric (see below).

[Apple Fetish]

Treefolk wrote:

You cannot take versatile channeler on a Hex Channeler because that character fails to meet the prereqs for the feat.

Quote:

Prerequisites: Channel energy class feature, necromancer or neutrally aligned cleric (see below).

Thank you...it was the (see below) part that misled me. Maybe you can also tell me what supplement I can find the Necromancer class that is mentioned?

[Chess Pwn]

Necromancer is a wizard that took the necromancy school.

[Apple Fetish]

Chess Pwn wrote:

Necromancer is a wizard that took the necromancy school.

Hrm...ok. Thank you for that information; It seems at odds with the feat though, as the Necromancy Arcane School doesn't give channeling of negative energy, just channel for command/turn undead.

[Chess Pwn]

The feat lets you do the other. If your necromancer channeled to command undead he could then channel to turn undead and vice versa.

[Apple Fetish]

Chess Pwn wrote:

The feat lets you do the other. If your necromancer channeled to command undead he could then channel to turn undead and vice versa.

Got it! Thank you.

[Driver_325yards]

variant channel wrote:

Quote:

A character who has the channel energy ability from a class other than cleric may use these variant channeling rules if the class's abilities are tied to serving a deity. For example, paladins can select alternative channeling abilities if they serve a deity, as can oracles with the Life mystery (as they serve many deities), but necromancer wizards cannot.

[Driver_325yards]

So, the real problem is that a Witch's powers are not tied to a deity.

[Chess Pwn]

They aren't talking about variant channeling, they are talking about versatile channeling the feat.

[Treefolk]

Driver_325yards wrote:

So, the real problem is that a Witch's powers are not tied to a deity.

The real problem is that a witch is not listed under the prerequisites.

A witch could very well draw her powers from a deity that could happen to be her patron.

APG wrote:

...but the witch gains power from her communion with the unknown...the witch draws her magic from a pact made with an otherworldly power.

Hex Channeler wrote:

At 2nd level, a hex channeler can call upon her patron to release a wave of energy from herself or her familiar.

As patrons are by their very nature unknown, a deity could be granting a witch her powers. Necromancer (wizards) are ascribed to gain their powers through study/practice, not requiring any divine interaction.

While we could debate fluff for ages (whether necromancers tap into divine power, why patrons are mysterious, whether dogs are NG or CG), RAW is what it is.