PFS CORE - Rogue vs Shadowdancer


Advice


I've asked my lodge for advice last night and gotten some tips, but it (usually) doesn't hurt to ask here as well.

My PFS CORE Reaper has just reached level 9 and I am torn as to what her next level up should be.

Character @ lvl 8:

{Pathfinder Society CORE Campaign}

Serenity
Neutral Half-Elf Female from Nidal
Liberty's Edge
Fighter/2, Cleric of Urgathoa/3, Shadowdancer/3

STR 18, DEX 14, CON 14, INT 14, WIS 14, CHA 11

Favored Classes: Fighter & Cleric (4 skill, 1 hp)
Ability Score Increasees: INT @ 4, CHA @ 8
Traits: Magical Knack (Cleric) & Birthmark (Pharasma)
Domains: Death & Magic

63 hp
Initiative: +2
Speed: 30ft
AC 20, Touch 13, Flat-footed 17
(10 + 7 armor + 2 DEX + 1 dodge)

FORT +10, REF +6, WILL +7

BAB +6/+1, CMB +10, CMD 23

Feats: Skill Focus(Stealth), Dodge, Mobility, Combat Reflexes, Combat Expertise, Spring Attack, Whirlwind Attack, Lunge

Special Abilities:

Aura (ex) (Evil)
Orisons
Channel Negative Energy (su) 2d6 (DC11) 3/day
Spontaneous Casting (Inflict)
Bleeding Touch (sp) 5/day
Hand of the Acolyte (su) 5/day
Bravery (ex) +1
Hide in Plain Sight (su)
Evasion (ex)
Darkvision (ex) 60ft
Uncanny Dodge (ex)
Rogue Talent (Combat Trick-Lunge)
Shadow Illusion (sp) (DC11) 1/day
Summon Shadow (su)

Melee Attacks:

+1 Keen Adamantine Scythe +11/+6 2d4+7 (19-20 x4)
Bleeding Touch +10 1d6 bleed for 1 round (20 x2)
Dagger +10/+5 1d4+4 (19-20 x2)

Ranged Attacks:

Hand of the Acolyte (Scythe) +9 2d4+7 (19-20 x4)
Dagger +8 1d4+4 (19-20 x2)

Skills (ranks):

Acrobatics +7(4)
Bluff +11(8)
Climb +9(4)
Diplomacy +4(1)
Disable Device +1(1)
Escape Artist +4(1)
Heal +6(1)
Intimidate +4(1)
K.Arcana +6(1)
K.Dungeoneering +6(1)
K.Engineering +6(1)
K.Geography +3(1)
K.History +6(1)
K.Local +3(1)
K.Nature +3(1)
K.Nobility +6(1)
K.Planes +6(1)
K.Religion +6(1)
Linguistics +6(1)
Perception +10(3)
Perf.Dance +5(2)
Sense Motive +6(1)
Spellcraft +6(1)
Stealth +19(8)
Swim +6(1)

Notable Gear:

+1 Mithral Chainmail of Shadow
+1 Keen Adamantine Scythe
Cloak of Resistance +1
Belt of Physical Might +2 (STR/CON)
Wand of Cure Light Wounds
Wand of Inflict Light Wounds
Elixer of Swimming x2

Should I take Shadowdancer/4 to get +1 BAB, Shadow Call, & Shadow Jump 40ft
-OR-
should I take Rogue/1 to get +2 REF, Sneak Attack +1d6, Trapfinding, 3 new Class Skills (DD, K.Local, & UMD), & 2 extra Skill Points?

Rogue looks better overall but it delays Shadowdancer 5 & 6 while removing the possibility of Shadowdancer 7.

And remember that this is a PFS CORE character. She cannot take options outside of the CRB, PFSRGG, Traits Web Enhancement, & if referenced Bestiary 1.

Liberty's Edge

K-kun the Insane wrote:

I've asked my lodge for advice last night and gotten some tips, but it (usually) doesn't hurt to ask here as well.

My PFS CORE Reaper has just reached level 9 and I am torn as to what her next level up should be.

** spoiler omitted **...

If you are optimizing?

Take more levels of cleric. You are CL 4 with magical knack. If you have all future levels cleric, you won't be too far behind.

Silver Crusade

Kyle, you ask advice and then don't take any of it, just like the last time you asked about your shadow dancer.

Only additional piece of advice i will give is do not take a level of rogue, you are already falling into nothing for your BAB. So this probably means you will take it.

Play your character and build it how you want. However don't ask on the facebook group if its the lack of wealth or you how you play your character, or if its the build as the reason for your characters continuing to die as much as they do, when you dont listen to the people around you and the advice that is given. (goes for both tactics in game and strategy sessions like on the forums)

If you would like some actual advice on your build in person feel free to approach me about it anytime in the lodge.


nennafir wrote:
K-kun the Insane wrote:

I've asked my lodge for advice last night and gotten some tips, but it (usually) doesn't hurt to ask here as well.

My PFS CORE Reaper has just reached level 9 and I am torn as to what her next level up should be.

** spoiler omitted **...

If you are optimizing?

Take more levels of cleric. You are CL 4 with magical knack. If you have all future levels cleric, you won't be too far behind.

Actually my caster level is 5th, but eh whatever. I'm not really a caster, I'm more of a striker. I was honestly disappointed and proud during that last game when during the boss fight, he focused on my Shadow as the biggest threat in the group.

Not the lvl 8 Fire Druid with his fireballs nor his summoned huge alligator, not the lvl 6 Cleric of Torag with his circle of protection from evil and invisibility purge, not the lvl 7 paladin pregen with her smite evil, and not the lvl 8 shadowdancer jumping around and stealthing with her x4 crit weapon.
No, the 2headed serpentfolk Sorcerer saw the incorporeal Shadow doing 2 touch attacks per round @ 1d6 STR damage each as the biggest threat.

Anyhoo, I'm not much interested in more Fighter or Cleric until after Shadowdancer 10. I'm more interested in wether a 1 level dip into Rogue is worth delaying Shadowdancer stuff.


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"Should I take levels of Core Rogue?". You already know the answer to that.


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Skyler Malik wrote:

Kyle, you ask advice and then don't take any of it, just like the last time you asked about your shadow dancer.

Only additional piece of advice i will give is do not take a level of rogue, you are already falling into nothing for your BAB. So this probably means you will take it.

Play your character and build it how you want. However don't ask on the facebook group if its the lack of wealth or you how you play your character, or if its the build as the reason for your characters continuing to die as much as they do, when you dont listen to the people around you and the advice that is given. (goes for both tactics in game and strategy sessions like on the forums)

If you would like some actual advice on your build in person feel free to approach me about it anytime in the lodge.

Judging from the way you talk, you know who I am and you don't think much of me. I'm sorry if I've upset you somehow, but I don't know who you are nor what I did.

First of all, I take all the advice I can get and weigh each response before making my final decision. Is it wrong to post the same question on two websites to hope for more responses with wider viewpoints? I don't believe so, but maybe I'm alone in that. Especially if I'm tired at night and wait until the next day to make the second topic. Besides, Whirlwind Attack and Lunge came from advice I recieved.

Secondly, you assume I ask these questions with no intention of listening, but that's just untrue. As I mentioned above I think about each suggestion carefully before choosing the one that meets my definition of fun and interesting while being beneficial to my character both thematically and mechanically. Assuming I do what I do just because I didn't choose your suggestion is detrimental to both our fun.

Thirdly, it's kind of mean spirited to say my characters die because I'm a terrible player or because I didn't make my character how you wanted them made. I've been playing for 3-4 years, of course I'm not as good as some who likely has 10+ years of experience. I can admit that my characters tend to avoid builds and are likely lacking in some areas because of it. I don't like being the same as everyone else. I like being unique in more than just fluff text. I can also admit that this makes it difficult to let characters I've worked so hard on die their final death. My first two characters are indeed vastly behind in WBL because I don't want them to stay dead, and you can't deny that being 23000gp in the hole can be factor. But other than them, I only have 2 deaths among my other characters. One was on my Shadowdancer which I wanted for RP purposes anyway, and the other was on a character I had to rush through 2nd level retraining and level up because I wasn't expecting to play him that day and we played a different scenario with only 3 players and we ended up in tier 3-4. So saying I suck because 2 of my very first characters have more deaths between them than I have years of experience is very hurtful. Should I just get you to build my characters and play them for me? But then what would I do?

Lastly, you're telling me to not ask for advice because I suck, but then tell me I'm free to ask you for advice? That's kind of a paradox, isn't it? Especially when I still have no clue who you are to even approach you to ask for advice.

All I've really gotten from you is that you don't like me nor my wish to play unique characters that don't conform to preestablished molds, a tiny piece of advice actually related to my question, and a whole lot of hurt feelings. Just because I'm a week away from being 28 does't mean words don't hurt.

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