Raging Alchemist


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Can a raging character use extracts or bombs?

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Yes. Neither are spells and there is no indication that either require patience or concentration.


your in the middle of battle and you must slip the thread through the eye of a needle to save the lives of your friends and you must do it while raging. i would rage too >.>.

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alchemists are adept at swiftly mixing various volatile chemicals and infusing them with their magic.....al reserves

Bombs are unstable, and if not used in the round they are created, they degrade and become inert.

In order to create a bomb, the alchemist must use a small vial containing an ounce of liquid catalyst—the alchemist can create this liquid catalyst from small amounts of chemicals from an alchemy lab, and these supplies can be readily refilled in the same manner as a spellcaster's component pouch.

Drawing the components of, creating, and throwing a bomb requires a standard action that provokes an attack of opportunity.

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when looking at the two i would rather do the first. and i can tell you both would be impossible to do while in a rage. you just want to smash stuff make whats hurting you stop hurting you. and if you cant you would rather beat your head against a wall. basicly in a rage you can not think straight. your more likely to set a room on fire because you want light.striking the steel to flint would be to complicated. but smashing the oil against a wall and throwing a lit match would be right up your alley.

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in short, drinking an extract, yes, mixing and priming a bomb, no, your more likely to set it off in your hands while trying to assemble it, while in a rage you tend to not care very much for the finer thing.

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lighting a fuse or pulling a pin would be possible. so if you can set up you bombs so they are pin and spring set before hand(think the German WW2 grenades)the handle has the catalyst and spring in it the pin locks the two in place when you pull the pin the spring jams the catalyst into the bomb part setting it active?

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"Rage" isn't mindless anger. You can think, and think well, just not concentrate.
Nothing in bombs says concentration.


infusing them with their magical reserves

i think you would have to stop and concentrate slightly to infuse the bomb with your magic. or activate the bomb.

Bombs are unstable, and if not used in the round they are created, they degrade and become inert.


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You infuse the bomb and throw it. It's taking a total of a standard action to pull out the stuff you need, make the bomb, activate the bomb, and throw the bomb. In as much time as a normal person uses to Throw a dagger. Nothing in it says it requires concentration to use.

Now as a GM you're free to think and rule whatever and everything to require concentration.

"Nope, can't run around the guy to get into flanking, that requires concentration to think to move to an advantageous spot."

"Nope, can't sneak attack, that requires concentration to hit in a vital spot."

"Nope, can't pull a potion out of your pack, that requires you to pull the pack around and search in it to find what you want, you don't have the patience for that, too complicated."

"Nope, can't use a bow. It's too complicated to do and requires too much concentration to aim the bow correctly."

"Nope, you can't channel energy while raging, to much effort to channel the power of your god."

"Nope, can't use fighting defensively, nor can you use fighting styles, as you don't have the focus to maintain such complicated fighting techniques."

"Nope, can't full attack or vital strike, to complicated to figure out how to swing in the right spots multiple times, you just run and hit it once."

See, you can "justify" that any action is disallowed while raging as a GM. But the rules don't provide such conclusions.


Concentration is not defined clearly, unless thrreviscsonethibg I haven't seen. However, you could define an act requiring concentration as one that requires a concentration check and you could say that a raging character automatically fails concentration checks. On the other hand, mixing volatile chemicals would seem to require concentration. It's up to the GM I suppose.

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