Playing for no credit - how exactly does this work?


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The Exchange 4/5 Owner - D20 Hobbies

So I just recently understand that you can play for no credit.

Apparently, you'd get a sheet. It would have 0 XP and 0 PP.

Should you die, you'd have to fill that out.

Can you make a day job roll and get your day job money?

Grand Lodge 4/5

Roleplaying Guild Guide pg22 wrote:
After each adventure that grants XP, you gain a period of Downtime before your next mission.

No XP, no Day Job.

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James Risner wrote:


So I just recently understand that you can play for no credit.

Apparently, you'd get a sheet. It would have 0 XP and 0 PP.

Should you die, you'd have to fill that out.

Can you make a day job roll and get your day job money?

As I understand it you can only play for no credit if it is to make a legal table.

You get 0xp, 0pp and 0gold. If you acquire any conditions, including dead, they need to be cleared in the normal way.

Shadow Lodge

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andreww wrote:
As I understand it you can only play for no credit if it is to make a legal table.

Absolutely correct; if there are already enough players to make the table happen, you can't "replay for no credit".

I've seen a number of comments in the past day that bring up the "replay for no credit" option, but not only do none of them mention this, some of them almost seem to imply otherwise.

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SCPRedMage wrote:

Absolutely correct; if there are already enough players to make the table happen, you can't "replay for no credit".

I've seen a number of comments in the past day that bring up the "replay for no credit" option, but not only do none of them mention this, some of them almost seem to imply otherwise.

Actually, having said this I am not so certain it is true. I went back to the Guide to find where it was dealt with and the only place I can find which deals with it explicitly says:

Quote:
All players receive a Chronicle sheet unless, at the GM’s discretion, they are replaying the module or Adventure Path for no credit.

I cannot find any reference to playing for no credit only being allowed to make a legal table which may well mean it is buried in a forum post somewhere.

Shadow Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, Ohio—Columbus

Andreww: the replay language is on p. 20 of the Season 7 Guide.

Quote:
You cannot receive more than 1 player Chronicle and 1 GM Chronicle for the same scenario in each mode, regardless of how many times you GM or play the scenario. You are permitted to replay a scenario in order to meet the minimum legal table size (see Chapter 7), but once you have reached that limit, you do not earn any additional rewards beyond having a good time.

Ch 7: p.33

Quote:
The minimum table size for a Pathfinder Society Organized Play session to be considered legal is four PCs. Table size is capped at six PCs.

The Exchange 4/5 Owner - D20 Hobbies

There is substantial confusion on the replay. I operated for years in the mode of "no replay except to meet minimums." I was told that isn't true and the quoted sections in this seems ambiguous ("but once you have reached that limit") seems to allow playing beyond the minimum.

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On Page 20, immediately under the subhead "Replaying Adventures", the current guide wrote:
The following rules determine when replaying Pathfinder Society Scenarios is legal...
In the following bulleted paragraphs, the guide further wrote:

...You are permitted to replay a scenario in order to meet the minimum legal table size...

... If you have already played a scenario and wish to replay to help make a table legal...

... which would lead me to believe that is the only circumstance under which one may replay a scenario (other than using GM stars, of course).

However, once you've received two chronicle sheets for any adventure (one for playing and one for GMing), the chronicle sheet you receive for the replay is only a "placeholder" (and you could have two of the same chronicle sheets on the same character in this instance, as well).

The current guide wrote:
A player replaying a scenario in order for the table to reach the minimum table size should (in this instance only) be given a Chronicle for the scenario, though marked to earn 0 Gold, 0 Prestige Points, 0 Fame, 0 XP; the character does not receive Downtime in which to attempt a Day Job check, nor does his receive boons, item access, or anything else appearing on the Chronicle might provide for having played the scenario. This Chronicle only serves as a placeholder to indicate the character participated in the adventure, and it gives a place to note consumables, purchases, and conditions to be tracked from playing through the adventure. This is the only exception to not having two of the same Chronicle assigned to one character.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Found Mike's post on replaying limits.

Sovereign Court 4/5 5/5 ** Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden

As I understand it, you get a chronicle sheet, so that you can record any gold spent, conditions gained/removed and so forth. But you can't earn anything in the scenario (gold, fame, boons etc).

The Exchange 4/5 Owner - D20 Hobbies

Martin Well, that linked thread is wonderfully illuminating. The actual GtPFS is not event remotely as clear as it needs to be.

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I recall from my V-O days helping the crew comb through the past year of forum posts, trying to find every instance of "Guide clarifications" that had been flagged/suggested/requested by everyone... it took a lot of effort, and still stuff got missed because (despite what some will tell you) V-Os and Paizo staff are human, too.

Something that sometimes helped was when someone who was passionate/interested in a certain topic took the time to write up suggested language, which served both as a reminder and a starting point for the next Guide version (which is probably already being worked on). Email it to your local VO or the Boss as a suggestion.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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GM Lamplighter wrote:
...it took a lot of effort, and still stuff got missed because (despite what some will tell you) V-Os and Paizo staff are human, too.

System error. Purging incorrect data.

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Cirithiel wrote:

Andreww: the replay language is on p. 20 of the Season 7 Guide.

Quote:
You cannot receive more than 1 player Chronicle and 1 GM Chronicle for the same scenario in each mode, regardless of how many times you GM or play the scenario. You are permitted to replay a scenario in order to meet the minimum legal table size (see Chapter 7), but once you have reached that limit, you do not earn any additional rewards beyond having a good time.

Ch 7: p.33

Quote:
The minimum table size for a Pathfinder Society Organized Play session to be considered legal is four PCs. Table size is capped at six PCs.

Doh, I should have been searching for replay rather than credit. Thanks for the find.

The Exchange 4/5 Owner - D20 Hobbies

So the "null" sheet does not count for item access?

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James Risner wrote:
So the "null" sheet does not count for item access?
graypark wrote:
The current guide wrote:
A player replaying a scenario in order for the table to reach the minimum table size should (in this instance only) be given a Chronicle for the scenario, though marked to earn 0 Gold, 0 Prestige Points, 0 Fame, 0 XP; the character does not receive Downtime in which to attempt a Day Job check, nor does his receive boons, item access, or anything else appearing on the Chronicle might provide for having played the scenario. This Chronicle only serves as a placeholder to indicate the character participated in the adventure, and it gives a place to note consumables, purchases, and conditions to be tracked from playing through the adventure. This is the only exception to not having two of the same Chronicle assigned to one character.

(Yes, that's a direct quote. The "nor does his receive" is an editing error in the Guide. Page 20.)

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I believe it was just before Gen-con John Compton sated in a blog the replay for no credit was strictly to make legal tables.

Sovereign Court 5/5 Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds

>poof<

What the...?

What's going on? Why am I here?

>reads thread<

Oh. Okay. Got it.

I think the consensus has been reached correctly: no replaying a scenario (for no credit) unless you're the fourth player at the table. And in that case you're supposed to note it by taking a chronicle that provides no credit for anything. Unless you die during the game. Then you have to deal with it like normal. This deters kamikaze runs, I think.

I get players who confuse this occasionally. More so, lately. A local venue got lax with this rule, and those players have begun to profligate the concept that joining as a fifth or sixth is "okay, so long as you don't get credit." I, too, would like the correct rule spelled out in a very prominent place, be it the Guide or a stickied post on the boards.

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What if you're the third player and you throw in a pregen?

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
What if you're the third player and you throw in a pregen?

Personally not a fan, but understand how this is sometimes going to happen. Again, it needs to be spelled out.

Lantern Lodge 5/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:
What if you're the third player and you throw in a pregen?

I've been that guy, just to give a couple of new players a full enough table to get a game. My PC, getting a 0/0/0 Chronicle was player 3, so a pregen could make 4 and the table legal.

Is that contrary to the rule? Or exactly what the rule is intended to allow?

Shadow Lodge

Jeff Hazuka wrote:

Is that contrary to the rule? Or exactly what the rule is intended to allow?

The rule doesn't state a minimum number of non-replay PCs, so I'm pretty sure you're fine.

The Exchange 4/5 Owner - D20 Hobbies

Jeff Hazuka wrote:
My PC, getting a 0/0/0 Chronicle was player 3, so a pregen could make 4 and the table legal.

I've done this now twice this month. Probably going to do it a 3rd time this weekend.

The pain of having hardly any players and everyone has played everything I can play for credit.

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James Risner wrote:


I've done this now twice this month. Probably going to do it a 3rd time this weekend.

The pain of having hardly any players and everyone has played everything I can play for credit.

Have you GM'd? You can get credit for your PC with GM credits.

Dark Archive 4/5 5/5 ***

Mike McKeown wrote:
Have you GM'd? You can get credit for your PC with GM credits.

*Looks at James' stars*

I think he's got the GMing thing down. ;)

Grand Lodge 4/5

I wasn't going to call attention to it myself...

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Dost Thou Even GM?

*debates commissioning a t-shirt run for that...

Shadow Lodge

Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

Dost Thou Even GM?

*debates commissioning a t-shirt run for that...

DOTH WANT.

The Exchange 4/5 Owner - D20 Hobbies

Keith Apperson wrote:
Mike McKeown wrote:
Have you GM'd? You can get credit for your PC with GM credits.

*Looks at James' stars*

I think he's got the GMing thing down. ;)

Yep I've got more again credits than play credits. Very few level 1-5 I can GM for credit. Plus this PC is level 5 from GM credit and I'm wanting to play before I hit level 6

;-)

SCPRedMage wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

Dost Thou Even GM?

*debates commissioning a t-shirt run for that...
DOTH WANT.

Me too

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