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Like the thread says, I want to upgrade my level 3 rangers +3 PP bought Darkwood Bow. I'm hoping to do this via masterwork transformation under spellcasting services (Caster level × spell level × 10 gp).I just have three questions, can I get a masterwork transformation on a weapon I bought with PP and does the +3 already on it affect it in some way I'm not seeing? The last question is the most important,
Any wooden or mostly wooden item (such as a bow or spear) made from darkwood is considered a masterwork item.
so what I'm asking, is my bow already masterwork because of the material it's made of?
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If a special material states that items created from it count as masterwork (like mithral, adamantine, and darkwood, among others), then it is valid to be made magical as is. Counting as masterwork and being masterwork are the same thing, at least when special materials are concerned.
To answer your question, yes.
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I'm guessing the +3 means Str modifier. But darkwood items are already masterwork the cost of darkwood is the cost of a normal masterwork item +10 gp/pound of the weight of the original item.
So a Composite Longbow (100 gp) made of Darkwood (+330 gp) rated for a 16 Str (+300 gp) would have a cost of 730 gp, and could be acquired for 2 PP.
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As has been stated, the bow would already be considered masterwork, because it is made of a material that says the item is masterwork. So no need to purchase spellcasting services to upgrade it to masterwork.
Essentially, if you haven't been using the +1 bonus to attack for masterwork on the darkwood bow, you can start doing so from now on.
You are also free to add magical enhancements to the bow. The cost for doing so would be the cost of the magical enhancement. The first enhancement you must add is the +1 magical enhancement bonus, which does not stack with the +1 masterwork bonus to attack. So it essentially converts the +1 to hit masterwork bonus into a +1 to hit enhancement bonus to hit, and also allows that +1 bonus to apply to damage. The cost to you of doing this would be 2,000gp.
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Like the thread says, I want to upgrade my level 3 rangers +3 PP bought Darkwood Bow. I'm hoping to do this via masterwork transformation under spellcasting services (Caster level × spell level × 10 gp).I just have three questions, can I get a masterwork transformation on a weapon I bought with PP and does the +3 already on it affect it in some way I'm not seeing? The last question is the most important,Any wooden or mostly wooden item (such as a bow or spear) made from darkwood is considered a masterwork item.so what I'm asking, is my bow already masterwork because of the material it's made of?
Going to assume the +3 references it as a composite bow with +3 strength to ranged attack damage. That +3 isn't related to the magical enhancements at all.
If the weapon's cost was derived based on it being darkwood, then it is assumed to be already masterwork. So, no need for masterwork transformation.
As for upgrading a PP bought item, as I understand it, you just need to pay the cost for the magical enhancements. I'm unclear if the fame requirement refers to the total value of the item, or just the cost to upgrade.
The main difference in PP bought items and gp bought items is that the PP items have a resale value of 0gp, so the resale value of your bow will only reflect the cost of the upgrades added, not the base item, masterworking, or darkwood.
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He's asking if you want to upgrade a weapon bought with pp, do you include the cost of the original item as 0 or as the normal price in the fame limit.
Especially relevant with the 8,000gp fame limit.
I have always taken the conservative approach and included the cost, under the logic that since discounts such as being a bonded weapon do not reduce the fame needed...
discounts due to The Exchange Faction card or pp purchases should not reduce the fame requirements either.
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1pp and 2pp purchased items ignore fame limits or no-one could buy a wand of cure light wounds after their first session.
You can, depending on your first session's mission.
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Sorry for the lack of clarification, it is a +3 strength composite longbow made of darkwood that I bought for two PP. Since it is confirmed that it is masterwork I am now wondering what happens to the +3 bonus when I upgrade it to a +1 magic item?
What you have is a masterwork darkwood composite longbow that gives you a +1 to hit, allows you to add up to +3 strength to the damage, and will give you penalties to hit if you have less than a +3 strength.
You walk to the counter in the grand lodge, hand the bow to the gnome and drop 2,000 gp on the table. The gnome takes it, infuses it with magic oils, carves some runes on the handle, you come back and pick it up.
You now have a +1 masterwork darkwood composite longbow that gives you a +1 to hit, allows you to add up to +3 strength to the damage, adds +1 damage for being a +1 weapon on top of that, will get through dr magic, deal half damage to incorporeal creatures, and will give you penalties to hit unless you have a +3 strength.
The only difference between the PP weapon and gold bought weapon is you can't sell it back. And since you can't split out the enchantments from the weapon, you can't sell those back either.
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Sorry for the lack of clarification, it is a +3 strength composite longbow made of darkwood that I bought for two PP. Since it is confirmed that it is masterwork I am now wondering what happens to the +3 bonus when I upgrade it to a +1 magic item?
The +3 strength is unrelated to the magical enchancements.
A +3 strength composite bow-weapon does up to 3 points of damage added to your ranged attacks, but only if your strength modifier is +3 or greater. If you have less strength, it adds damage based on your strength to a maximum of the composite strength mod you've purchased.
The masterwork property adds +1 on hit rolls. So, before the magical upgrade, you've been doing dex+BAB+1 for masterwork on your ranged attack roll, and your str mod added to the weapon damage.
As a +1 weapon, you'll retain the +1 to hit for masterwork, and gain +1 to damage. So, assume your strength is at least 16, the weapon will deal it's normal damage, plus your +3 strength bonus, +1 for the magical enhancement.
So, in example, if you were a medium level 1 fighter (+1 BAB) with Dex 14 and str 14, the Darkwood composite (+3) longbow would only add +2 to damage. So your attack roll would be +4 and the damage roll would be 1d8+2. With an 18 strength, you'd go up to 1d8+3 (since the composite +3 weapon can't utilize higher than +3 strength).
The magical version would be +1 darkwood composite(+3 str) longbow.
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A few points:
Masterwork on a weapon gives it a +1 enhancement bonus to hit, no modification to damage.
Adding a +1 enhancement bonus only adds the +1 enhancement bonus to damage, since two enhancement bonuses won't stack, you take the better of the two, or only one of them if they are the same.
That longbow is typically notated as:
+1 darkwood composite longbow (+3 Str)
As a couple of people noted, if the user's Strength modificer is not at least +3, you do your actual Strength modifier instead of the +3, but you also take a -2 penalty to hit, since you are not strong enough to properly pull the bow.
Adding magical enhancements to an item bought for PP still requires enough Fame to enhance it with the normal cost for everything, not using the 0 resale value instead of the normal purchase price.
After the +1, of your PC is planning on ever enhancing, or otherwise increasing, their Strength, you will probably want to consider the Adaptive enhancement (for a flat 1,000 gp) from Ultimate Equipment, which lets your bow adapt to your current Strength modifier, so you won't take the -2 penalty, and can use the same bow for most of your career.
So, as an example:
Fighter archer, Str 16, Dex 18, using this bow.
BAB +1, Dex +4, MW +1, so +6 to hit
Longbow 1d8 (medium), +3 Str
Suffering from a Str drain of two points:
BAB +1, Dex +4, MW +1, insufficient Str penalty -2, so +4 to hit
Longbow 1d8, +2 Str
Remember that making a weapon magical always requires a +1 enhancement, at 2,000 gp, as the first magical step, before anything else can be added.
Edited for numeric typo (+12 instead of +1) Yeesh.