Startoss a shield?


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Is there any way I can get Startoss style chain and ricochet toss to work with a shield?


Yes. You'll need to use a Throwing Shield. The simplest way to meet the feat prerequisites would be to take levels in Fighter.


I'm fully intending to go fighter, with a two level hurler barbarian dip.

I didn't notice the throwing shield being in the thrown group. That solves my problem nicely.


The books and PRD still have a lot of outdated lists. I've just bookmarked this Blog entry instead.


Holy crap! I had no idea this existed! This blog means I can revisit my longhammer using dwarf from years ago.


Another person in the comments thread was also excited by the longhammer's inclusion in the hammers group.

That Blog entry is from the Pathfinder Society, but my friends and I use PFS rules as a baseline. If it's ok there then its ok with us. Then we throw away a lot of their restrictions on things like crafting and certain archetypes.

Silver Crusade

Yeah, that blog post came as a followup to my asking the question of whether or not longhammers counted as hammers, so the Dwarven Foehammer Fighter archetype could use them. It took them more than a year to respond, because they were compiling a complete list of EVERY weapon into that blog post.


Brawler Shield Chsmpion could also work

Silver Crusade

Yeah, throwing weapon is a very feat intensive combat style, so fighter's the easiest way to do it. Brawler could also work, and that Shield Champion archetype could work well if you're doing the Captain America thing. Also, human warpriests can get as many feats as a fighter if they use the favored class bonus on the bonus feats. See this thread for a detailed discussion on thrown weapon builds.


I think that I asked about the longhammer & longaxe about three years ago. And then abandoned my foehammer / stalwart defender idea when I got no response about six months later.

Shield Champion's cool, but with the right advanced weapon training, style feats, and rage powers, I can get a build that can charge at one enemy, throw his shield during the charge (at that first enemy, or some other one), catch it before reaching the target, then overrun that guy and throw the shield again, bouncing it off of several enemies (including the guy I just bowled over if need be) before catching it a second time.

Startoss + Ricochet Toss is so much more effective than the Shield Champion's abilities that it's tempting to abandon the Brawler archetype even before you consider the huge benefits that Advanced Weapon Training bring to the party.

The only thing that a Shield Champion can do that a Lore Warden / Hurler can't do is bull rush with a thrown shield.

Of course, being so unbelievably feat intensive, the round I described above won't be feasible until level 12 or 13. But Captain America's a high-level fighter anyhow, so that's alright.


Well shield champion allows you to Flurry with shield bash, giving you an effective melee option for close quarter combat. Plus it allows for you to trip or use a Dirty Trick.


Shield champion brawler with startoss sounds amazing.

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