Bestiary lists bat as CR 1 / 8 in the 'Monsters by CR' list, but there is no such stat block in the book

[JohnnyRelentless]

Unless I'm missing something. Dire Bat and Bat Swarm stat blocks are listed, but I don't see Common Bat anywhere even though it is listed in the Monsters by CR List.

I did find the Common Bat stat block on the Paizo web page, so I have the info I needed, but I'm just wondering what I'm missing. The same was true for the Common Toad - listed in the Monsters by CR List, but doesn't seem to have a stat block in the book.

For common animals am I supposed to just look up the dire version and then reverse the process for making a dire animal from a common animal? If I did that with the dire bat I don't think I would have gotten a CR 1/8 animal.

[TwoWolves]

It's under "Familiar".

[Gisher]

It's in the Familiar section on page 131. The toad is in the same section on page 133,

Bestiary wrote:

Familiar

Presented here are the base animal statistics for all of the most commonly used familiars—of course, these statistics can also be used for normal animals as well.

Edit: Ninja'd by TwoWolves. :)

[David Thomassen]

Bat - Found in the Familiar section

[Nefreet]

TwoWolves wrote:

It's under "Familiar".

^ what the wolves said.

Edit: ...and Ninja'd by 5 seconds.

[DM_Blake]

That has always irritated me. Want to find a bat? It's under 'F'. Want to find a toad? It's under 'F'. An annoying and unintuitive place to put them all - it ONLY makes sense when somebody wants one as a familiar (and even then they probably don't start looking under 'F' first). For all other times anybody wants to look up these critters, it makes no sense to find them under 'F'.

[DM_Blake]

Maybe the designers wanted to force us to become more familiar with their Bestiary?

[Starbuck_II]

That is why the cool kids use the D20SRD instead of that other one:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/bat/bat

[Dave Justus]

It would seem to be to be unlikely that you would need stats for a bat or a toad that wasn't a familiar.

[JohnnyRelentless]

TwoWolves wrote:

It's under "Familiar".

Aaahh, thanks. Now I feel stupid. I mean I never even though to look under F for Bat! :)

[Gisher]

JohnnyRelentless wrote:

TwoWolves wrote:

It's under "Familiar".

Aaahh, thanks. Now I feel stupid. I mean I never even though to look under F for Bat! :)

I see your problem. The correct spelling is Fbat. The F is silent.

[Nefreet]

Starbuck_II wrote:

That is why the cool kids use the D20SRD instead of that other one

Cooler kids use Archivesofnethys.

More search options, and it's PFS-friendly.

[JohnnyRelentless]

DM_Blake wrote:

That has always irritated me. Want to find a bat? It's under 'F'. Want to find a toad? It's under 'F'. An annoying and unintuitive place to put them all - it ONLY makes sense when somebody wants one as a familiar (and even then they probably don't start looking under 'F' first). For all other times anybody wants to look up these critters, it makes no sense to find them under 'F'.

Yes, it's really weird. Or there should at least be a Common Bat section even if it only has a note with the page number under familiars where it can be found.

I'm going to GM for the first time. I've only been playing for about a month, although I played AD&D a lot years ago. I am starting the players out at first level on an island where magic is forbidden and they have been enslaved for a few years and will have to fight without any equipment at first, and no magic. So I am making stat blocks on index cards for all the CR and lower monsters in the Bestiary. I figure it is a good way to start an index of easily referenced stat blocks for future use, too.

[Nefreet]

You could probably save a lot of time by just making a 4x2 table of 8 statblocks per page, copying/pasting/printing them out, and cutting them up.

Handwriting index cards will tire you out. There are a LOT of creatures out there.

[Starbuck_II]

Nefreet wrote:

Starbuck_II wrote:

That is why the cool kids use the D20SRD instead of that other one

Cooler kids use Archivesofnethys.

More search options, and it's PFS-friendly.

There is no Bat in Nethys. I tried.

So D20PF wins again, Cooler Kids.

Edit: Well, if you click pets and monsters it works, but just searching the word bat doesn't.

[James Risner]

Starbuck_II wrote:

There is no Bat in Nethys. I tried.

Actually there is.

I've got no idea why you think you can't search for bat. I just did. Using their search. And found bat.

[Duiker]

James Risner wrote:

Starbuck_II wrote:

There is no Bat in Nethys. I tried.

Actually there is.

I've got no idea why you think you can't search for bat. I just did. Using their search. And found bat.

To be fair, if you go to the provided search link and search for "bat", it indeed says that there are no results.

[JohnnyRelentless]

Nefreet wrote:

You could probably save a lot of time by just making a 4x2 table of 8 statblocks per page, copying/pasting/printing them out, and cutting them up.

Handwriting index cards will tire you out. There are a LOT of creatures out there.

Thanks for the advice, I'll probably do that instead.

[James Risner]

Duiker wrote:

To be fair, if you go to the provided search link and search for "bat", it indeed says that there are no results.

I just did that and found bat.

But of course, since the search options are not on the url you can't make a link with per-selected options.

If you don't click any of the checkboxes, you don't find anything at all. Try druid, longsword, ioun stone, etc.

Nothing.

But click monster and type bat and you find a ton of bat's.

[Duiker]

James Risner wrote:

Duiker wrote:

To be fair, if you go to the provided search link and search for "bat", it indeed says that there are no results.

I just did that and found bat.

But of course, since the search options are not on the url you can't make a link with per-selected options.

If you don't click any of the checkboxes, you don't find anything at all. Try druid, longsword, ioun stone, etc.

Nothing.

But click monster and type bat and you find a ton of bat's.

Huh, no wonder I've never found what I'm looking for on Archive of Nethys. A search tool that by default doesn't search anything is completely ass backwards.

[Nefreet]

They're called filters.

d20pfsrd doesn't use them, and it's one of the many reasons I stopped using that site.

For instance, if I'm looking for a Trait that gives Acrobatics as a class skill, d20pfsrd is useless.

[James Risner]

Duiker wrote:

A search tool that by default doesn't search anything is completely backwards.

I couldn't disagree more.

A search tool that shows 521 hits when I know there is only a few with bat in their name isn't good.

[Gisher]

The PRD Bestiary index also lists Bat under F for Familiar but not under B for Bat. That might be fixable.

[kinevon]

Note: If you have the PDF version of the Bestiary, you can use the built-in links in the Monsters by CR section, Appendix 9, page 318, just to go directly to the page with the entry.