Retraining the Kensai Archetype

[Bigby FrostFire]

Okay, So here is the question. I want to make a Kensai using a wakizashi at the start, But when I get the power to Finesse a Katana.

Weapon and Armor Proficiency
A kensai is proficient in simple weapons and in a single martial or exotic melee weapon of his choice. A kensai is not proficient with armor or shields and suffers normal arcane spell failure chance when casting magus spells while armored.

It says i can pick a weapon I am proficient with. This means I can retrain it as part of the class feature rules, right? That was the first question second question is how long will this take, Around retraining I'm going to be 9th or 11th level.

Sum it up. Can i do it, and how long will it take.

[Weables]

as a DM, i'd tell you that its basically an exotic weapon proficiency feat, and you'd retrain it as per the feat retraining rules.

edit: most likely a houserule though. i dont think the rules allow you to retrain basic class features that arent listed in the retraining rules

[dragonhunterq]

I don't think you can.

you can only retrain specific class features, that list does not include weapon and armour proficiencies

I would extend this FAQ to apply to weapon proficiencies gained by the 'weapon and armour proficiency' feature. There is no real logic in treating them differently.

[Horselord]

Well as you can only retrain a feat into another feat choice you could select, most classes gain no benefit retraining class proficiencies - only classes that offer a choice can change. So from a feat perspective it seems perfectly reasonable.

[Paulicus]

dragonhunterq wrote:

I don't think you can.

you can only retrain specific class features, that list does not include weapon and armour proficiencies

I would extend this FAQ to apply to weapon proficiencies gained by the 'weapon and armour proficiency' feature. There is no real logic in treating them differently.

That's a reference to a fighter (for example) training away martial weapons or heavy armor proficiency for another feat. I think a kensai, who has to choose a single weapon to specialize in, is a bit of a different animal.

[Renata Maclean]

Making an exhaustive list of retraining options for every archetype seems kind of pointless, so it's basically up to GM interpretation for the most part, but all the base classes with weapon specialization abilities seem to be able to retrain them for different weapons.

Also I'm fairly sure that clerics and warpriests essentially "retrain" proficiency with their deity's favoured weapon if they switch deities, so it's not like there's no precedent for altering class proficiencies