Hey, I was looking over the information we have regarding pack animals and noticed this and I wonder if I could get clarified.
Is there an error in the War Pony stat block?
Reading the horse stat block I saw this:
Docile (Ex)
Unless specifically trained for combat (see the Handle Animal skill), a horse's hooves are treated as secondary attacks.
So the block lists their attacks at a -5 due to their secondary nature.
However after becoming combat trained this -5 would be removed correct?
now looking at the Pony, Combat Trained (or War Pony) stat block their bab(+1) + str mod(+3) = 4, though their attacks are listed as:
Melee 2 hooves –1 (1d3+2)
should it not be
Melee 2 hooves +4 (1d3+3) ?
Thanks for your reply!
I'm guessing he's looking at some 3rd party site like d20pfsrd which created the stat block and did so incorrectly.
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I'm guessing he's looking at some 3rd party site like d20pfsrd which created the stat block and did so incorrectly.
PRD has them wrong all the time, too. But if he's asking about error, then it might be in an FAQ, but those are sorted by book. So we can only really help if he can tell us where he's quoting.
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Hmmm...looking at the prd here...PRD pony is -3 attack and only does d3 damage.
The pony listed has a Strength of 13, so +1 attack/damage.
Ah, I think I found what the issue is. Looked up the animal subtype here
"Proficient with its natural weapons only. A noncombative herbivore treats its natural weapons as secondary attacks. Such attacks are made with a –5 penalty on the creature's attack rolls, and the animal receives only 1/2 its Strength modifier as a damage adjustment."
A non-combat pony would be in such a group.
So the pony on PRD +1 for BAB, +1 for strength and -5 on the attack roll, for a total attack of -3. Since 1/2 of their +1 strength mod is not a whole, their strength adds nothing to melee damage. PRD is correct within their own logic.
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Murdock, you just repeated everything the OP said, but didn't answer the question.
Sindenky, you are correct. A war pony should treat its hooves as primary attacks to be 2 hooves +4 (1d3+3).
Correct, I sure didn't answer the question. They asked about error in an unsourced text. I still don't know if their text is in error because I don't know where it is from.
I'm still lost where the 16 strength pony is found, as that's the strength of an actual horse.
Looks like they missed the upgrade to primary attacks. It should be +4 to hit.
Note it has the advanced simple template applied as well, which may make it unsuitable in a different way.
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If a magus fails a concentraition check to cast defensively, while attempting to use spell combat and/or spell strike, does he still get to use his free extra attack at his highest base attack bonus or does he lose that free attack because the spell wasn't successfully cast?
I found a lot of helpful information about how both abilities work and I understand that much, but not about what happens if the magus fails his concentraition check.
A magus pony? I guess friendship is magic!
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If a magus fails a concentraition check to cast defensively, while attempting to use spell combat and/or spell strike, does he still get to use his free extra attack at his highest base attack bonus or does he lose that free attack because the spell wasn't successfully cast?
I found a lot of helpful information about how both abilities work and I understand that much, but not about what happens if the magus fails his concentraition check.
If he fails the concentration check to cast, he wouldn't get the free attack from casting the spell, since the free attack is to deliver the touch attack granted by the failed spell.
No more than a Wizard, trying to cast Shocking Grasp defensively, would get a free touch attack if he failed the concentration check.