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What I've heard of historical performance of products for Paizo and WotC (and I can't really speak as to how accurate this is) would indicate that Frog God Games, while certainly in the running for most successful 3pp company, probably wouldn't win most popular individual product because their products are high price point GM-oriented books, which typically have much lower sales numbers since they're aimed at a small portion of a small portion of the TTRPG marketFrog God Games has a lot of high-end collectors who pick up everything of theirs, often in expensive formats. I wouldn't try to apply conventional wisdom to their business plan.
I would imagine they have quite the unique niche and place in the market. I was more getting at the idea that the thrust of the thread initially seemed to be identifying the most popular 3pp products for PF, and that seems to be getting mixed a bit with identifying the most successful company, and these can be two very different things. It's entirely possible that the most popular product belongs to a company who doesn't even rank in the top 10 most profitable/successful companies since there are so many different factors involved in having a successful company beyond just having a top selling product (though that certainly can't hurt).
I certainly can't claim to know the answer to either, but I just thought it was important to clarify that the metrics being used don't really account for all the variables in either question, and the answer to one isn't necessarily the same as the other.
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The other factor that prevents this from being an accurate view of even most popular product is that it assumes time spent on the top Ten list = most sales over lifetime of product.
But certainly I have had some things that never hit the top 10, but have sold fair numbers month-in, month-out, for years and years and years, which means they were bought by more total people than many of my top-ten recipients that then had a normal dropoff to lower sales after 90 days or so.
Just not all at once.
But it's still INTERESTING data.
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The other factor that prevents this from being an accurate view of even most popular product is that it assumes time spent on the top Ten list = most sales over lifetime of product.
But certainly I have had some things that never hit the top 10, but have sold fair numbers month-in, month-out, for years and years and years, which means they were bought by more total people than many of my top-ten recipients that then had a normal dropoff to lower sales after 90 days or so.
Just not all at once.
But it's still INTERESTING data.
That's what happens with me too. 10 people bought Horn of Geryon in the GM's sale this week even though it's been out for over 3 years.
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reach than my 117 years of industry experience prior to being hired. .Well... that explains why the advanced bestiary is so damn scary. I didn't know you were an actual outsider.
I hope you put that 117 years to use in the strange eons project.
I'm wondering what sort of crazy time-travel loops he's been through to get 117 years of experience in the RPG industry.
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I was more getting at the idea that the thrust of the thread initially seemed to be identifying the most popular 3pp products for PF, and that seems to be getting mixed a bit with identifying the most successful company, and these can be two very different things.
That's one reason why I made both lists.
I certainly can't claim to know the answer to either, but I just thought it was important to clarify that the metrics being used don't really account for all the variables in either question, and the answer to one isn't necessarily the same as the other.
I, as the collector and analyzer of the data, hereby solemnly swear that the metrics I'm using hardly account for any of the variables in either question. But, it's what I got.
If the retailers would like to send me all their information about how much of what products were sold when, I will gladly accept it. I promise I won't tell anyone.
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The other factor that prevents this from being an accurate view of even most popular product is that it assumes time spent on the top Ten list = most sales over lifetime of product.
But certainly I have had some things that never hit the top 10, but have sold fair numbers month-in, month-out, for years and years and years, which means they were bought by more total people than many of my top-ten recipients that then had a normal dropoff to lower sales after 90 days or so.
Just not all at once.
But it's still INTERESTING data.
Yeah. Something with a huge spike of popularity, but no sales for quite some time after, will show up, but not as a big deal. Something with almost enough popularity may never show up at all, even if the total sales are large. The products that would seem to do best by this metric are the ones that are quite popular rather often. Which, to be honest, happens to be exactly what I was interested in. :-)
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They take 20% - if you can actually sell anything through there.Since I'm in a curious mood, how much does the Open Gaming Store/d20pfsrd.com store take?Yes very simply because drivethru takes 25-35%, Paizo takes 25% (or 50% of print), and Kickstarter you loose only 5%, (and about 5% to bad pledges).Do kickstarted projects bring an overall higher revenue than normally released products?
For that matter how about patreon?
There are ways to boost sales. Posting announcements of new products on the Facebook group "Fans of d20pfsrd" seems to help. He has a newletter you can put teaser material into.
It's still not my biggest venue, the the % is great and it's absolutely enough money that UI continue to work on ways to expand sales there.
Thanks for the tip about the Facebook group Owen. Honestly I haven't sold a single PDF from that site in almost a year so I am kind of at a loss about what to do with it.
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This is interesting. I was thinking of having a series on my blog every monday to comment on Paizo's weekly newsletter, particularly the top tens. Was going to start last week but I haven't been seeing them this week or last week.
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One more result that can theoretically gleaned from the data (I leave it to others to crunch the numbers): product traction.
Take the score for an individual product and multiply it by the number of weeks it's in the top 10.
This would show the products which simmer along, as opposed to those which have a one week big hit. Could generate some interesting and potentially useful alternative results.
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This is interesting. I was thinking of having a series on my blog every monday to comment on Paizo's weekly newsletter, particularly the top tens. Was going to start last week but I haven't been seeing them this week or last week.
Sounds like a great idea!
They've definitely gone out - I've received an e-mail every week including the most recent one earlier today. I've been rather happily checking for them each week in fact because the Trickster from Kobold Press has been the Number 1 Download for the last 3 weeks (for which I've been both thrilled and humbled!)
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This is interesting. I was thinking of having a series on my blog every monday to comment on Paizo's weekly newsletter, particularly the top tens. Was going to start last week but I haven't been seeing them this week or last week.Sounds like a great idea!
They've definitely gone out - I've received an e-mail every week including the most recent one earlier today. I've been rather happily checking for them each week in fact because the Trickster from Kobold Press has been the Number 1 Download for the last 3 weeks (for which I've been both thrilled and humbled!)
I wonder if there's a place to complain that I didn't get my newsletter. Which is funny because usually company emails are just spam for me.
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I wonder if there's a place to complain that I didn't get my newsletter. Which is funny because usually company emails are just spam for me.
Maybe a spam filter caught it?
Yeah, haven't received the latest ones either - only the promotions about the humble bundles came through. I guess the server clogging affected the mailing list as well? Weird.
That clogging's made March very, very weak in sales on my end. How about the rest of you?
I did put off some shopping during that time, but got to it after a week or so.
But I suppose the impulse buying was completely lost.
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That clogging's made March very, very weak in sales on my end. How about the rest of you?
We're actually doing slightly better than average.
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With all the 3pp here talking about such things - here is a question for you - do you care if I'm only buying the PDF? Do I support you better if I buy a print copy?
After this thread I'm much more likely to shop at the open gaming store - only because I would rather support *you* and things like that matter to me.
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With all the 3pp here talking about such things - here is a question for you - do you care if I'm only buying the PDF? Do I support you better if I buy a print copy?
After this thread I'm much more likely to shop at the open gaming store - only because I would rather support *you* and things like that matter to me.
In my case, the profit is about the same. Strange Magic's paperback adds $16 to the price, and it costs somewhere around $10 to produce, so I'm only getting a 25% margin on that extra cost to you. If you bought more PDFs, I'm better off.
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With all the 3pp here talking about such things - here is a question for you - do you care if I'm only buying the PDF? Do I support you better if I buy a print copy?
After this thread I'm much more likely to shop at the open gaming store - only because I would rather support *you* and things like that matter to me.
Yeah, buying more different things is generally more useful than buying a print instead of 2 pdfs, for example.
OTOH, more *expensive* pdfs generally bring in more total money, if you are looking for a good way to throw more wealth our way. :)
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Another good thing for publishers that have their own webstores, like, say, Legendary Games, is to buy directly from them. That won't help with their Paizo newsletter sales numbers like the OP is referencing, but buying directly from them means they are only losing around 5% in transaction fees rather than 20-35% on PDFs or 30-50% on print.
On PDF vs. print, the profit margin is generally better for publishers on PDF, but at the same time buying print can help publishers clear inventory that they've already bought and paid for, so there's a benefit either way.
For Legendary Games, historically Paizo always has been our biggest sales venue, but the gap between it and DrivethruRPG has shrunk considerably, and last month was actually the first month ever that our revenue from DrivethruRPG exceeded our Paizo revenue. I'm not really sure why the sales lines from those two sites have converged, but it has definitely happened.
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The different sites respond to different stimuli. I've found that the whole prestige effect really only matters here at Paizo. On the huge, faceless OBS storefront, just get yourself on the frontpage as much as possible to leverage it. And, well, play John's game to get the most out of John's store, bearing in mind that he's a schemer and the rules will change every 4-6 months. His schemes are starting to settle down, though, so maybe the same tricks will work this time next year.
At Distant Scholar's behest, I've started collating all the top downloads from other companies from the This Week at Paizo emails. The Top Downloads from Other companies did not become a thing in the Weekly Paizo newsletter until 04/04/2009. Prior to this date it was just Top Downloads regardless of company and since this is Pathfinder focused, I just included from that point forward.
I have pulled together all the emails from 2009 and put the top ten lists in an Excel spreadsheet. I'll continue to do this as I have time and can pull 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 until I get to Distant Scholars' base starting point.
Just looking through the data as I was pulling it together for 2009, one of the most popular companies for a several week period was Louis Porter Jr Games. He had several weeks when he dominated the Top 10 with 6,7, or 8 positions.
Open Design/Kobold Press had a few weeks where they had several offerings as well, the Kobold Game Design books and the Kobold Quarterly.
But I will leave the real analysis to Distant Scholar, analytics aren't really my thing. :)
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I started doing commentary on my blog. I'll be doing this again each week just to cover a current trends angle. I'll probably leave the number crunching to Distant Scholar as well as I haven't saved all of mine, I've only been playing for I think half the life of Pathfinder itself, and it would probably eat up way more time than I have.
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With all the 3pp here talking about such things - here is a question for you - do you care if I'm only buying the PDF? Do I support you better if I buy a print copy?
After this thread I'm much more likely to shop at the open gaming store - only because I would rather support *you* and things like that matter to me.
Depends on where you're buying it from.
If you buy a print copy from dreamscarred.com, then our profit is substantially better than if you buy a print copy anywhere else. We have to price our books based upon the most expensive outlet that's going to sell it, so if you buy it from us, then we're out the cost to print + ~5% transaction fees, vs cost to print + ship + 50%. That $25 print book from Amazon might only clear $6 profit, vs a $15 profit at the Dreamscarred site, for example.
Obviously, you should support the companies you want to support, so if you want to support both Dreamscarred and Paizo, buying our print books from Paizo.com does that. But if you're specifically looking to maximize how much you support a particular publisher, generally buying directly is the best way to do that, and generally, buying PDFs has the best profit margin, dollar for dollar.
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At Distant Scholar's behest, I've started collating all the top downloads from other companies from the This Week at Paizo emails. The Top Downloads from Other companies did not become a thing in the Weekly Paizo newsletter until 04/04/2009. Prior to this date it was just Top Downloads regardless of company and since this is Pathfinder focused, I just included from that point forward.
I have pulled together all the emails from 2009 and put the top ten lists in an Excel spreadsheet. I'll continue to do this as I have time and can pull 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 until I get to Distant Scholars' base starting point.
Just looking through the data as I was pulling it together for 2009, one of the most popular companies for a several week period was Louis Porter Jr Games. He had several weeks when he dominated the Top 10 with 6,7, or 8 positions.
Open Design/Kobold Press had a few weeks where they had several offerings as well, the Kobold Game Design books and the Kobold Quarterly.
But I will leave the real analysis to Distant Scholar, analytics aren't really my thing. :)
Actually, with all this data, I think it'd be really interesting to see a yearly breakdown, somewhat of a time capsule of what was popular in each year.
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I'd like to see that too, but right now lets also talk about the present.
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A new set of lists!
I've compiled the data up to the 16 April 2016 (today!) "This Week in Paizo" e-mail. I also have the 2009 data that has been sent to me by Sethvir (thank you!). I've made changes in how the spreadsheet has been set up, so that it doesn't take so long to re-calculate everything. The original link should take you to the new spreadsheet, but I'll put a link to the spreadsheet here anyway.
I've also categorized things by year, so there will be more lists. I won't be repeating the yearly lists once the year is complete. They're aren't being presented chronologically, so read carefully!
Here are the new lists, starting with a blast from the (recent) past:
Top 10 Products of 2009:
01. Pathfinder Paper Minis: Monster Set 2 - Goblins (129 points)
02. Pathfinder Paper Minis: Monster Set 1 - Gnolls (111 points)
03. Undefeatable 1: Wizards & Sorcerers (108 points)
04. Kobold Quarterly 9 (105 points)
05. (tie) Pathfinder Paper Minis: AP 19 Bestiary (90 points)
05. (tie) Tome of Secrets (90 points)
07. Pathfinder Paper Minis: Katapeshi Caravan (82 points)
08. Pathfinder Paper Minis: Howl of the Carrion King (78 points)
09. Pathfinder Terrain: Ruined Undercrypt of Kelmarane (75 points)
10. Expanded Character Sheet (73 points)
People sure liked their paper minis. If you don't, and want to ignore the game aids (minis/terrain/character sheet), add to the list Undefeatable 2: Clerics (68 points), Kobold Quarterly 10 (55 points), Undefeatable 4: Barbarians (41 points), Undefeatable 5: Fighters (35 points), Hungry Little Monsters [d20] (34 points), Curse of the Moon [d20] (33 points), and Darkness without Form: Secrets of the Mimic (32 points). I skipped over 2 more game aids on the way down.
A special note: Pathfinder RPG products didn't start showing up until late August; that may be one reason for the popularity of the game aids. Also, the lists started in April, so 2009 isn't a whole year.
I never saw an Undefeatable 10: Rogues for 2009; maybe it came out in 2010? If not, Louis Porter Jr. Design has some work to do...
Top 10 Publishers of 2009:
01. Pathfinder Paper Minis (559 points)
02. Louis Porter Jr. Design (534 points)
03. Open Design (290 points)
04. Sean K Reynolds Games (101 points)
05. Wizards of the Coast (94 points)
06. OtherWorld Creations (89 points)
07. Adamant Entertainment (88 points)
08. Cubicle 7 Entertainment (81 points)
09. WorldWorksGames (75 points)
10. 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming (44 points)
If one wishes to ignore Pathfinder Paper Minis and WorldWorksGames (Pathfinder Terrain), add Radiance House (37 points) and The Shining Jewel (19 points) to the list. Expeditious Retreat Press then just misses the list with 18 points for One on One Adventures, still on the lists today!
Adamant Entertainment is on there for their Fell Beasts series. And once for Tome of Secrets, although that's listed under Cubicle 7 Entertainment the rest of the times. Radiance House is on their for their d20 Pact Magic stuff. I understand that they've done (or are working on?) the Pathfinder version.
Open Design, OtherWorld Creations, 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming ... I wonder whatever happened to those old companies? :-)
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And now, for the current running totals, with 2009 added in:
Top 10 Products of All Time:
01. Ultimate Psioncs (303 points)
02. Spheres of Power (283 points)
03. In the Company of Dragons (211 points)
04. Spheres of Power: Expanded Options (206 points)
05. Way of the Wicked Book 1 (206 points)
06. Kineticists of Porphyra (140 points)
07. Pathfinder Paper Minis: Monster Set 2 - Goblins (129 points)
08. Pathfinder Paper Minis: Monster Set 1 - Gnolls (111 points)
09. Path of War Expanded - Work in Progress (109 points)
10. Undefeatable 1: Wizards & Sorcerers (108 points)
An interesting mix of old and new. If one wishes to combine Path of War Expanded and Path of War Expanded - Work in Progress, Path of War Expanded jumps to 6th place (148 points). If one wishes to ignore the paper minis, add Kobold Quarterly 9 (105 points) and Path of War (98 points) to the list.
Top 10 Publishers of All Time:
01. Dreamscarred Press (832 points)
02. Pathfinder Paper Minis (581 points)
03. Drop Dead Studios (574 points)
04. Louis Porter Jr. Design (546 points)
05. Legendary Games (528 points)
06. Rite Publishing (366 points)
07. Big Finish Productions (354 points)
08. Open Design (290 points)
09. Expeditious Retreat Press (283 points)
10. (tie) Purple Duck Games (213 points)
10. (tie) Rogue Genius Games (213 points)
If one wishes to ignore Pathfinder Paper Minis and Big Finish Productions, add Fire Mountain Games (174 points) to the list. I also feel compelled to point out that Kobold Press has 162 points.
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Here's what things look like in 2016:
Top 10 Products of 2016 (so far):
01. Kineticists of Porphyra (134 points)
02. One on One Adventures Compendium (95 points)
03. Kineticists of Porphyra II (71 points)
04. New Paths 8: The Trickster (58 points)
05. Monster Classes - Work in Progress (41 points)
06. Path of War Expanded (39 points)
07. The Destroyer's Handbook (35 points)
08. GM Gems: A Collection of Game Master Inspiration (31 points)
09. Path of War (29 points)
10. Psionics Augmented: Soulknives (27 points)
Hooray for Kineticists! Hooray for One on One Adventures! Hooray for the Trickster! Hooray for assorted Dreamscarred Press projects! If one wishes to lump Path of War Expanded and Path of War Expanded - Work in Progress together, it goes up to 45 points, and swaps places with #5.
Top 10 Publishers of 2016 (so far):
01. Purple Duck Games (207 points)
02. Dreamscarred Press (168 points)
03. Drop Dead Studios (103 points)
04. Expeditious Retreat Press (95 points)
05. Kobold Press (84 points)
06. Everyman Gaming (34 points)
07. Goodman Games (31 points)
08. Rogue Genius Games (28 points)
09. Rite Publishing (24 points)
10. Legendary Games (21 points)
Well, would you look at that #1 finisher. Rogue Genius is mostly Talented Witch, I think. Rite is probably In the Company of Dragons. And, as always, Expeditious Retreat Press is all about the One on One Adventures. Goodman Games came from their GM Gems early in the year.
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Top 10 Products of 2015:
01. Spheres of Power (228 points)
02. Ultimate Psionics (220 points)
03. Spheres of Power: Expanded Options (180 points)
04. One on One Adventures Compendium (169 points)
05. In the Company of Dragons (161 points)
06. Way of the Wicked Book 1 (146 points)
07. Path of War Expanded - Work in Progress (103 points)
08. Pathfinder Legends - Rise of the Runelords 6 (77 points)
09. Path of Shadows (61 points)
10. (tie) Pathfinder Legends - Rise of the Runelords 5 (55 points)
10. (tie) Psionics Augmented: Mythic Psionics (55 points)
If one wishes to ignore the Pathfinder Legends series, add In the Company of Gelatinous Cubes (50 points) to the list. If that one was free, and you wish to ignore free products, add Everyman Unchained: Monk Archetypes (47 points) to the list.
Looks like this was the year for Spheres of Power. It's had success in 2016, but not as much as in 2015.
Top 10 Publishers of 2015:
01. Dreamscarred Press (505 points)
02. Drop Dead Studios (471 points)
03. Legendary Games (410 points)
04. Rite Publishing (298 points)
05. Big Finish Productions (196 points)
06. Expeditious Retreat Press (169 points)
07. Fire Mountain Games (166 points)
08. Rogue Genius Games (135 points)
09. Everyman Gaming (89 points)
10. Kobold Press (72 points)
If one wishes to ignore Big Finish Productions, add Ascension Games (61 points) to the list.
Since I don't have complete information for 2014, I haven't compiled a list for that year yet.
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Open Design, OtherWorld Creations, 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming ... I wonder whatever happened to those old companies? :-)
4 Winds Fantasy Gaming was purchased by Purple Duck Games.
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Otherworld Creations was the parent company of Super Genius Games. Ask Owen Stephens for further clarification. Oh, which also means that most of the Super Genius Games products are now under Rogue Genius Games.
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A new set of lists!
Open Design, OtherWorld Creations, 4 Winds Fantasy Gaming ... I wonder whatever happened to those old companies? :-)
Open Design is Kobold Press. The company simply stopped going by Open Design and is now know as Kobold Press.
4 Winds Fantasy Gaming was purchased by Purple Duck Games.
Otherworld Creations was the parent company of Super Genius Games. Ask Owen Stephens for further clarification. Oh, which also means that most of the Super Genius Games products are now under Rogue Genius Games.
Dang it; I was hoping Owen would chime in on OtherWorld Creations first. I missed the hat trick.
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Otherworld Creations was the parent company of Super Genius Games. Ask Owen Stephens for further clarification. Oh, which also means that most of the Super Genius Games products are now under Rogue Genius Games.
Yeah, Super Genius Games was originally an imprint of Otherworld Creations.
I was brought on to be the Pathfinder RPG developer for SGG in 2009. A bit later (I believe 2010) I became part owner as well. When that happened SGG became it's own LLC. I don't recall the exact timing of when that happened.
In late 2013 I was bought out from SGG, and ownership of nearly all SGG's Pathfinder-compatible pdfs moved to Rogue Genius Games, LLC which I started as a new company at roughly the same time. (SGG retained ownership of things such as the Strike Force & property and Dungeonaday.com website.)
The sale of those pdfs took a serious hit, at least in part due to confusion about what was going on.
I believe Super Genius Games LLC has since ceased operations, but I can't say for certain since I'm not involved with them anymore. They do still have a OneBookShelf store, for example.
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I've got half of 2010 Top Ten Lists Compiled. Hopefully 2010 lists complete compile by the end of April, if all goes well.
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2010 data sent off to Distant Scholar this morning. On to 2011 data.
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Presenting:
Top 10 Products of 2010:
01. Pathfinder Paper Minis: AP 31 (112 points)
02. Genius Guide to the Godling (105 points)
03. Genius Guide to Apprentice-Level Characters (87 points)
04. Genius Guide to Archer Archetypes (82 points)
05. Advanced Options: Oracle's Curses (81 points)
06. Genius Guide to the Time Thief (72 points)
07. (tie) Advanced Feats: Secrets of the Alchemist (69 points)
07. (tie) Genius Guide to Loot 4 Less: Vol 2 – Pretty, Pretty, Rings (69 points)
09. (tie) Genius Guide to Ice Magic (63 points)
09. (tie) Genius Guide to the Magus (63 points)
The number of points each title is getting is lower than in 2009, despite 2009 not being a whole year. There were 83 distinct products listed in 2009, and 99 in 2010. There were 95 in 2015 (the only other year I have complete data for as of now).
One might also surmise that the Advanced Player's Guide came out in 2010.
Considering the titles we have going on up there, guess who's going to be on the Top 10 publisher's list?
Top 10 Publishers of 2010:
01. OtherWorld Creations (1008 points)
02. Super Genius Games (927 points)
03. Open Design (392 points)
04. Pathfinder Paper Minis (245 points)
05. Spes Magna Games (55 points)
06. Jon Brazer Enterprises (40 points)
07. Frog God Games (39 points)
08. Cubicle 7 Entertainment (35 points)
09. Rite Publishing (34 points)
10. Reality Deviant Publications (29 points)
Did you guess correctly? Yes, indeed, the #1 and #2 spots are taken by OtherWorld Creations and Super Genius Games, for essentially the same product catalog. There's a significant drop between #2 and #3, a drop between #3 and #4, and a precipitous fall from #4 to #5. Many, many weeks were mostly OtherWorld/Super Genius, with a few Open Design, and an occasional guest appearance by one of our other contestants.
If one wishes to lump OtherWorld Creations and Super Genius Games together, and/or ignore Pathfinder Paper Minis, add Dreamscarred Press (28 points) and Louis Porter Jr. Design (21 points) to the list. Yes, Dreamscarred Press' Psionics Unleashed was ... unleashed ... in 2010. But, it only came on the list in the middle of December.
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Here are the current running totals with 2010 added in:
Top 10 Products of All Time:
01. Ultimate Psionics (303 points)
02. One on One Adventures Compendium (283 points)
03. Spheres of Power (243 points)
04. In the Company of Dragons (211 points)
05. Spheres of Power: Expanded Options (206 points)
06. Way of the Wicked Book 1 (147 points)
07. Kineticists of Porphyra (140 points)
08. Pathfinder Paper Minis: Monster Set 2 - Goblins (129 points)
09. Pathfinder Paper Minis AP 31 (112 points)
10. Pathfinder Paper Minis: Monster Set 1 - Gnolls (111 points)
Despite the enormous success of OtherWorld/Super Genius, none of their products made it on the top 10 list. It was the large number of products that continually showed up on the list that scored big for them. The only new product is a set of paper minis. If one ignores paper minis, the list changes a bit: add Path of War Expanded-Work in Progress (109 points), Undefeatable 1: Wizards & Sorcerers (108), and Genius Guide to the Godling (105). Aha! There's a genius guide! If Path of War Expanded and Path of War Expanded-Work in Progress are added together, they end up with 148 points, and jump up, barely, to 6th place.
Top 10 Publishers of All Time:
01. OtherWorld Creations (1097 points)
02. Super Genius Games (927 points)
03. Dreamscarred Press (860 points)
04. Pathfinder Paper Minis (826 points)
05. Open Design (682 points)
06. Drop Dead Studios (574 points)
07. Louis Porter Jr. Design (567 points)
08. Legendary Games (528 points)
09. Rite Publishing (400 points)
10. Big Finish Productions (354 points)
Yes, OtherWorld Creations and Super Genius Games, individually, beat out our previous first-place publisher, just considering the year 2010. If one wishes to lump together OtherWorld Creations and Super Genius Games, and/or ingore Pathfinder Paper Minis and/or Big Finish Productions, add on Expeditious Retreat Press (283 points), Purple Duck Games (213 points), and Rogue Genius ... wait. And Fire Mountain Games (174 points), and add 213 more points to the OWC/SGG/RGG conglomerate. [It's over 2000!] Adding together Open Design and Kobold Press gives them 844 points, and moves OD/KP to 4th place.
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Wow. It's really interesting to see how the data data changes and to see OWC/SGG/RGG sitting uup there at this point with over 2000 points is amazing.
I'm going to start culling the 2011 Top Ten from my email archives at lunch time today.
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I had some free time today, so 2011 data has now been sent off. Just from a rough review of the data as I was pulling it together, two things I don't see changing are the number 1 product and the number 1 publisher(s). But we'll see if my assumptions are borne out.
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Adding together Open Design and Kobold Press gives them 844 points, and moves OD/KP to 4th place.You really should combine Open Design and Kobold Press, since they are (and always have been) the same company ...
I'm still trying to decide what to combine, and what not to combine. Should Path of War Expanded and Path of War Expanded - Work in Progress be combined? What about things like The Book of Heroic Races Compendium and the individual releases that combines? [At least, I think there were individual releases.] What about Strange Magic and its contents, which I think have had three or four different versions? And I'm still not sure exactly what to do about OWC/SGG/RGG.
I'm looking for suggestions. And I'm strongly leaning towards combining Open Design and Kobold Quarterly. I have to figure out how to do it cleanly without damaging the integrity of the data.
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I had some free time today, so 2011 data has now been sent off. Just from a rough review of the data as I was pulling it together, two things I don't see changing are the number 1 product and the number 1 publisher(s). But we'll see if my assumptions are borne out.
This will take me a while to get to.
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Adding together Open Design and Kobold Press gives them 844 points, and moves OD/KP to 4th place.You really should combine Open Design and Kobold Press, since they are (and always have been) the same company ...I'm still trying to decide what to combine, and what not to combine. Should Path of War Expanded and Path of War Expanded - Work in Progress be combined? What about things like The Book of Heroic Races Compendium and the individual releases that combines? [At least, I think there were individual releases.] What about Strange Magic and its contents, which I think have had three or four different versions? And I'm still not sure exactly what to do about OWC/SGG/RGG.
I'm looking for suggestions. And I'm strongly leaning towards combining Open Design and Kobold Quarterly. I have to figure out how to do it cleanly without damaging the integrity of the data.
Open Design and Kobold Press are the same company, so I think combining them is absolutely the right thing. Kobold Quarterly was never the name of the company - it was the popular magazine that Kobold Press/Open Design produced ...