Computer Tsukumogami?


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So a computer containing an AI reaches its 100th birthday and becomes a tsukumogami. What happens?


What normally happens when something reaches its hundredth birthday? I don't know that that's well defined in the myth, let alone in however you translate it to PF rules. First decide on those details, then you can decide how to extend it to situations with long-buried AIs on Golarion.


I'm not sure.... I don't think they considered Intelligent Magic items when they made Tsukogami (and AI are effectively Intelligent Magic items). Maybe they can't merge with a kami, or perhaps the tsukogami would possess the mental ability scores and abilities of the item.

avr wrote:
What normally happens when something reaches its hundredth birthday? I don't know that that's well defined in the myth, let alone in however you translate it to PF rules. First decide on those details, then you can decide how to extend it to situations with long-buried AIs on Golarion.

Those details have been decided. In PF objects sometimes become tsukumogami on their 100th birthday.


You will have to wait about 35 years to find out, for when the world's oldest working computer (also see here) finally turns 100.


(Searches) - Ah, Bestiary 5, explains why I hadn't seen it. Though 3 fairly goofy monsters and some vague text about the category don't really make the details decided IMO.

OK. So first question; is the computer like the AI's body (meaning it wouldn't separately awaken, any more than an elves toes would when they reach 100) or like the AI's equipment (meaning it might)? I'd go with the first, but I think you're assuming the second.

Assuming the second, has the AI been able to keep its computer in good condition? Does it have emotions? Does it act like it values and appreciates the computer?


If we are going to start introducing yokai in Pathfinder, I want my bakeneko.

In a pinch, I would settle for a nekomimi.


Let's say that the computer is the house for an AI. Let's also say it has a maintenance robot (or other caretaker) keeping it in working order. I'd imagine that it would be a case of the AI essentially possessing the kami. Basically, two minds, one body.


I'm pretty sure it just becomes Optimus Prime.


^What, not Ultrahouse 3000?


Reference: Tsukumogami.

UnArcaneElection wrote:

You will have to wait about 35 years to find out, for when the world's oldest working computer (also see here) finally turns 100.

You did not look far enough into the past.

The Antikythera mechanism is from either between 150 and 100 BC, or, according to a more recent view, at 205 BC.

Steven "Troll" O'Neal wrote:
So a computer containing an AI reaches its 100th birthday and becomes a tsukumogami. What happens?

I would say the artificial intelligence becomes a real intelligence.

Snowlilly wrote:

If we are going to start introducing yokai in Pathfinder, I want my bakeneko.

In a pinch, I would settle for a nekomimi.

Well, yokai can be: "Often they possess animal features (such as ..., or the Tengu which has wings)"

/cevah

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Cevah wrote:


Steven "Troll" O'Neal wrote:
So a computer containing an AI reaches its 100th birthday and becomes a tsukumogami. What happens?

I would say the artificial intelligence becomes a real intelligence.

The trillion-dollar question, though, is: What exactly is the difference?


With sufficient humanoid-AI interaction and regular infusions of natural oil, it becomes a tachikoma.


Cevah wrote:

Reference: Tsukumogami.

UnArcaneElection wrote:

You will have to wait about 35 years to find out, for when the world's oldest working computer (also see here) finally turns 100.

You did not look far enough into the past.

The Antikythera mechanism is from either between 150 and 100 BC, or, according to a more recent view, at 205 BC.
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I said oldest working computer, The Antikythera Mechanism, as well as several other computers built before the Harwell Dekatron, are all inoperable. The replica of Babbage's computer doesn't (yet) count either, because it is a replica and therefore much newer than the design (which was never completely built in Babbage's time.

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